Stockman mine at Benambra (New Traffic and Rail)

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brownhillboy Junior Train Controller

Whats next? line to Barry's Beach going back in for this port development down there? or perhaps some big something will have the East Gippsland rail trail decommissioned so the train to Orbost can return?!!!

Well, if the Stockman mine at Benambra goes ahead, and that looks promising, 100,000t + pa of copper and 200,000t pa of zinc could be railed from Bairnsdale by 2015. Definitive Feasibility Study underway.
 
Galron Deputy Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Whats next? line to Barry's Beach going back in for this port development down there? or perhaps some big something will have the East Gippsland rail trail decommissioned so the train to Orbost can return?!!!

Well, if the Stockman mine at Benambra goes ahead, and that looks promising, 100,000t + pa of copper and 200,000t pa of zinc could be railed from Bairnsdale by 2015. Definitive Feasibility Study underway.
- brownhillboy


at those volumes you would want the rail to the mine. cant see the locals happy with 20 b-doubles a day down that road. re-rail to bruthen, with a ng track to the mine, yea i know not going to happen
 
balikoy Chief Commissioner

If I was at Benambra I'd rather be dragging it by truck to Wangaratta before Bairnsdale.
 
Galron Deputy Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
If I was at Benambra I'd rather be dragging it by truck to Wangaratta before Bairnsdale.
- balikoy


When the mine was last opened there at Benambra the production was trucked south. The roads to the north would need significant work to allow regular Semi traffic (sealing and straightening), never mind b-double traffic. The Great Alpine Road south is a B class road, and much more suitable. The roads north are C at best.
 
bevans - Administrator Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If I was at Benambra I'd rather be dragging it by truck to Wangaratta before Bairnsdale.
- balikoy


Those volumes will require rail.  No doubt.

Interesting times ahead.  Victoria should be able to rebuild those two lines with a few sides for a little over $22b

Regards
Brian
 
freightgate Chief Commissioner

Location: Albury, New South Wales
If I was at Benambra I'd rather be dragging it by truck to Wangaratta before Bairnsdale.
- balikoy


No you would not.  Those roads are very very narrow and steep. The roads could be equally as bad the southern route.

Return rail to Bruthern and look at some rail into the mine.  You would of couse need to understand where this traffic is going?

What is the expected mine life?

--Bill
 
gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Don't excited about Barry's Beach - it is being pushed aggresively by the State Government for a variety of bulk traffics: but it's all road-based.
Rail not on the agenda...no-one in Government is advocating it and the Barry Point operator makes a lot of noise.
 
brownhillboy Junior Train Controller

According to published sources, the concentrate would be exported for smelting. The initial life of the mine is 7 or 8 years, and this is when most of the zinc concentrate would be produced. These tonnages are not huge compared to other Australian projects. Truck to Bairnsdale then rail to a port would be a good option.
 
Nightfire Chief Commissioner

Location: Gippsland
According to published sources, the concentrate would be exported for smelting. The initial life of the mine is 7 or 8 years, and this is when most of the zinc concentrate would be produced. These tonnages are not huge compared to other Australian projects. Truck to Bairnsdale then rail to a port would be a good option.
- brownhillboy



The former State Government did build a multi purpose siding at Bosworth Road Bairnsdale.

Only a hardstand would need to be built to permit the loading of containers on and off trains.

People are dreaming If they think a railway would be built to the mine site at Benambra, even If that was even possible.
 
gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
I stand by my earlier comment - rail is not on the agenda, largely because people see Barry Point as close to the source and assume cheaper freight rates. Given that Tim Fischer's Railfreight report recommended a dedicated business development group in State Government be established, in an ideal world the Benambra proponents would have already been contacted and modelling of volumes and costs conducted. Nothing has happened, so rail misses out (again).
 
Wiseone Locomotive Fireman

Location: Darwin. NT
Whats next? line to Barry's Beach going back in for this port development down there? or perhaps some big something will have the East Gippsland rail trail decommissioned so the train to Orbost can return?!!!

Well, if the Stockman mine at Benambra goes ahead, and that looks promising, 100,000t + pa of copper and 200,000t pa of zinc could be railed from Bairnsdale by 2015. Definitive Feasibility Study underway.
- brownhillboy


300 thousand tons pa. That's only 60 smallish trains a year. No where near the mark for a new line. Road transport to a rail hub and then only if the rail hub is at least 200 km from the export port, otherwise road transport it.
 
brownhillboy Junior Train Controller

Bairnsdale would be just under 300km from Appleton Dock. How is copper and zinc concentrate transported in other areas? I believe it has to be kept to a certain moisture level, which would favour containers and therefore rail. Otherwise the ports would have to supply a lot of shedding to keep it out of the weather while waiting for a ship.
 
freightgate Chief Commissioner

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Bairnsdale would be just under 300km from Appleton Dock. How is copper and zinc concentrate transported in other areas? I believe it has to be kept to a certain moisture level, which would favour containers and therefore rail. Otherwise the ports would have to supply a lot of shedding to keep it out of the weather while waiting for a ship.
- brownhillboy


Would Geelong be a better option for export?

--Bill
 
splod Junior Train Controller

Location: Darwin, NT
Re the possibility of a rail extension east of Bairnsdale - I wonder if the reservation hasn't been relinquished?

I say this because there have certainly been a number of encroachments - a quick check in Google Streetview of the former rail corridor immediately east of Bairnsdale station reveals:
     
    Galron Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Werribee, Vic
    Dept. Sustainability & Environment is responsible for the easement. Doubt there wouldent be much paperwork involved to transfer it back.

    There is nothing that has been put in place that would prevent easy re-instatement of a rail service east of bairnsdale, aside from the significant cost involved. Rebuilding the bridge over the mitchell would be a major part of any cost. One can only dream
     
    bevans - Administrator Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    A bridge like that would be less than $20m

    Regards
    Brian
     
    Valvegear Minister for Railways

    Location: Norda Fittazroy
    Correction - a bridge like that should be less than $20 m.

    This is Victoria, remember?
     
    Galron Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Werribee, Vic
    While that's the only river bridge I would think that would need replacing, there are a lot of road crossings that where either under or over passes that have been removed, never mind the numerous grade crossings which i guess would need to be separated these days. Nicholson bridge would need its timber components replaced, and that's bigger than the Mitchel one is. Say by by to 300-400 million at least in the 30 odd kms to bruthen.
     
    bevans - Administrator Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    We are now finally starting to count the cost of pulling up our infrastructure.  Victoria is a rustbelt state.  Other states who have not pulled out there rail networks will now begin to prosper.

    The reason the current government is not considering any rail option for Barry Bach is because thay pulled out the rail line to Point Barry.

    Go figure.

    Regards
    Brian
     
    bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: On a freight train to crazy town
    We are now finally starting to count the cost of pulling up our infrastructure.  Victoria is a rustbelt state.  Other states who have not pulled out there rail networks will now begin to prosper.
    - bevans

    Its an Australia wide problem, Victoria is no better nor worse than any others state and in fact up has been quicker to put money into upgrading existing regional lines than say SA, WA or NSW.
     
    electric Train Controller

    Location: Whittlesea Line, probably a new X'Trapolis
    I think it's a bit of an insult to Queensland to say they're as bad as we are  Razz
    RFR was all about achieving the speeds they had in 1997. On less stable, narrow gauge.

    They aren't using 1950's locomotives, and I doubt their freight lines have ridiculous 40/60 km/h limits everywhere due to poor track condition as a result of no/poor maintenance. (happy to be proven wrong on that one)
     
    bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: On a freight train to crazy town
    I think it's a bit of an insult to Queensland to say they're as bad as we are  Razz
    RFR was all about achieving the speeds they had in 1997. On less stable, narrow gauge.
    - electric

    Outside of the tilt trains - better known as the "pensioner's express'where else are those speeds achieved? How many passenger trains per day serve Toowoomba?

    They aren't using 1950's locomotives
    - electric

    Freight in Victoria is run by the private sector isn't it and has been for some time?

    and I doubt their freight lines have ridiculous 40/60 km/h limits everywhere due to poor track condition as a result of no/poor maintenance. (happy to be proven wrong on that one)
    - electric

    Outside of of bulk traffics, and the Main North - not a lot of freight left on rail in Queensland now.
     
    SEMartin Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne VIC
    Before everyone gets too foamy about the prospect of minerals on rail out of the Stockman project, it might be worth reading the submission by the Independence Group (proponents of the Stockman project) to the Victorian Government's Economic Development and Infrastructure Committee which is currently undertaking an inquiry into mineral exploration and project development in Victoria. It's going to take a while to get this project off the ground (if ever).

    And like the Iluka mineral sands project in western Victoria, it might take the project being on stream for a couple of years before the rail loading facilities get put in.

    I wouldn't hold your breath for ore trains from Bairnsdale.

    SM
     
    gippslander Chief Commissioner

    Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
    The reason the current government is not considering any rail option for Barry Bach is because thay pulled out the rail line to Point Barry.

    Go figure.

    Regards
    Brian
    - bevans


    It was the Kirner ALP Government which closed the Leongatha-Barry Beach line (despite the protestations of Esso, who were the dominant user at the end). The Liberal Gov did dismantle the line in 1994.
    Bulk traffic to Barry Point will come from the Latrobe Valley and East Gippsland, which never had rail connectivity to Barry beach. A new line from Sale to Barry Beach would cost billions.

    That's why Barry Point will be 100% road serviced..as I keep saying, rail isn't on the radar. There seems to be some strange thinking that the totally unserviced and shallow Barry Point is great for Gippsland just because it's closer than Appleton Dock or Geelong. Plus there is a furphy around which suggests there are no available slots on the Gippsland line - what about the graveyard shift between 1-5am?

    In relation to re-establishing the line east of Bairnsdale for some mythical future traffic, much of the former line out of the town has changed ownership. Beyond the end of Bairnsdale yard, a large portion of land was sold to the local Council and has been turned into a sizeable carpark.

    Of course, if at some time Government wanted to re-establish part of the line towards Orbost, it has the Major Transport Projects Facilitation Act 2009 in its armoury, which gives it authority to build what it wants with minimal consultation or provision for 3rd party objection.
     
    electric Train Controller

    Location: Whittlesea Line, probably a new X'Trapolis
    Outside of the tilt trains - better known as the "pensioner's express'where else are those speeds achieved? How many passenger trains per day serve Toowoomba?
    - bingley hall

    The point was that in 1997 we had really old track/trains (excluding 22 sprinters), because everything was left to rot, just as bevans said.

    Freight in Victoria is run by the private sector isn't it and has been for some time?
    - bingley hall

    Yep, because the government decided to flog the trains off and let them rot, rather than try and reform and fix it. The company can't change that fact that most of the freight lines are non-maintained (bronze class! woo!), low speed/capacity and indirect.

    The point was that we let our network descend into a non-maintained, almost useless state. I don't believe they did so much slashing and burning elsewhere. Rather than looking back at this saying "ah well, everyone did it", we should look back and admit how silly we were, thinking that more efficient rail would be killed by roads.

    Anyway, back to Benambra...
     

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