Chinese Locomotives for SCT Logistics

 
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

The Minwrvagracht is a heavy lift ship, so should not require wharf side cranes

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1471568

Cranes     Tons/ reach   3 of 80 mt /18 m: 65 mt/24 m: 50 mt/28 m

2 of her cranes should comfortably handle a 132 tonne loco

http://www.spliethoff.com/Fleets/M-type.aspx?objectname=FleetShow&objectId=17&pgeId=232

The Dolfijngracht from the same company self loaded 9 ex QR locos (8 x 1502 + 1 x 2100) at Fisherman's Island in November 2010, and unloaded unassisted in Antofagasta (Chile).




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  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Will the 6 x SDA1 require a ARTC waiver to be moved from Port Adelaide to Penfield?

As at 1800 there was not a TOC Waiver on the publicly accessible side of the ARTC website





  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik


Are these RHDHs or more NHDHs, please?

If they are RHDHs by whom and where are theybuilt, please?
"YM-Mundrabilla"

RHDH, built in China by CSR.

If you have seen a NHDH rake running around with new wagons in it have a closer look, the new wagons are RHDH's, should be 8 towards the front and 8 towards the rear of one of the current rakes. 
"Shacks"


I now gather that the RHDHs off the  'Minervagracht' are, in fact, NHDHs built by CNR in Dalian but coupled in pairs rather than fours like the real NHDHs.

I thought that National Rail already had some RHDHs which would have been inherited by PN and which I thought would have been different. Do we now have two different RHDHs or has my memory finally failed completely?
  M636C Minister for Railways



Are these RHDHs or more NHDHs, please?

If they are RHDHs by whom and where are theybuilt, please?
"YM-Mundrabilla"

RHDH, built in China by CSR.

If you have seen a NHDH rake running around with new wagons in it have a closer look, the new wagons are RHDH's, should be 8 towards the front and 8 towards the rear of one of the current rakes. 
"Shacks"


I now gather that the RHDHs off the  'Minervagracht' are, in fact, NHDHs built by CNR in Dalian but coupled in pairs rather than fours like the real NHDHs.

I thought that National Rail already had some RHDHs which would have been inherited by PN and which I thought would have been different. Do we now have two different RHDHs or has my memory finally failed completely?
"YM-Mundrabilla"


The ex BHP(AI&S) hoppers were class RHDF, not RHDH, if that is what you were thinking of...

All of the wagons coupled in pairs in the PN Hunter Valley fleet are ex National Rail, classes RHCH, RHFH and RHHH.

It is logical to substitute an R prefix for N on wagons coupled in pairs since this would quickly identify the cars as being coupled in pairs rather than groups of four, seven or eight.

I apologise for suggesting that the NHDH were from CSR. It is the NHGH wagons that are from CSR.

The NHDH wagons are effectively two pairs together given the arrangement of the brake gear, so the RHDH are in fact just half of an NHDH set. I haven't been able to read the plate on an RHDH set but Dalian is quite likely.

M636C
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
TOC system not used in SA, will most likely be an standard (Temporary) Train Notice for the movement(s)


Will the 6 x SDA1 require a ARTC waiver to be moved from Port Adelaide to Penfield?

As at 1800 there was not a TOC Waiver on the publicly accessible side of the ARTC website




"jmt"
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

as at 0800 the site http://www.portarrivals.com/list.asp?sec=Port&item=54220&t=ADELAIDE was off line

Does anyone have a current ETA for the Minwrvagracht

Any timing for when the locos will be moved (to Penfield?)?
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
I should see Train Notice tonight will post details if available.

as at 0800 the site http://www.portarrivals.com/list.asp?sec=Port&item=54220&t=ADELAIDE was off line

Does anyone have a current ETA for the Minwrvagracht

Any timing for when the locos will be moved (to Renfield?)?
"jmt"
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Does anyone have a current ETA for the Minwrvagracht
"jmt"

Flinders Port still has it at arriving at Adelaide Anchorage 06:00 tomorrow morning, arriving at berth 29 at 14:30 tomorrow.
http://portmis.flindersports.com.au/ksg.web/Public/PublicMovements.aspx
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
Possibly yesterday, and definitely today, there has been a move of Waratah car bodies to Cardiff. Perhaps they came off the Minwrvagracht?
  snowcone Station Master

I believe they did come off this ship as the local TV station NBN showed footage of a problem that occurred with a Waratah during unloading when a bogey slipped or something.
  xr554 Chief Commissioner

Location: Ashton S.A.
The movement of the loco's could be a while after they arrive depending on customs requirements.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Interesting last comment about their arrival on the Southozrail forum: http://southozrail.freeforums.org/sct-csr-ziyang-co-ltd-locomotives-arrival-t923.html
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
No mention of any movements in tonights train notices so possibly as ted suggests sunday
  stuart Locomotive Fireman

Location: Adelaide SA
CSR005 is the 1st locomotive to be unloaded.
Thanks to EMD4301. 
  sar520class Locomotive Fireman

Any Idea when the movement to Bolivar will happen ?
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

First unit unloaded just before 1900, heavily overcast with light rain

Loco had plastic cover

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#29 dock at Port Adelaide is Patrick (Asciano) managed, hence the lowloader did not have a SCT prime mover
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Mobile cranes for transferring from the lowloader to rail are in the area outlined

2 units due to come off this PM, balance starting at 0600 tomorrow (Sunday)

Locos will probably require Customs clearance prior to moving outside of the wharf security zone

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http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-34.821625,138.51378&z=16&t=k&nmd=20120114

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  Dean C Class Locomotive Fireman

JMT,  It has nothing to do with it being an Asciano wharf, it has everything to do with SCT not having heavy haulage equiped trucks.  Nearly all of SCT's trucks are set up for line haul.  Heavy haulage trucks normally have bigger diffs, suspensions, stronger chassis and lower gearing.

Cheers Dean.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
JMT,  It has nothing to do with it being an Asciano wharf, it has everything to do with SCT not having heavy haulage equiped trucks.  Nearly all of SCT's trucks are set up for line haul.  Heavy haulage trucks normally have bigger diffs, suspensions, stronger chassis and lower gearing.

Cheers Dean.
"Dean C Class"


Agreed, James Contracting are a Specialist Heavy & Over Dimension Haulage company and have the expertise to handle these loads, from the supply of trucks, floats, cranes, riggers and drivers to escorts.

You can't just throw anything on the back of a standard semi!
  stotty Station Master

Location: Cambodia (formerly Melbourne)
Great photos JMT...many thanks.
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

Interesting that they lifted them with bogies attached.  Don't locos normally get moved sans bogies, due to the weight?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Interesting that they lifted them with bogies attached.  Don't locos normally get moved sans bogies, due to the weight?
"Draffa"


Some cases yes, some no
It's a play off .... without bogies means less weight to lift (smaller crane?) and the float can be 'smaller' but thats played off against the extra truck and lift for the bogies and the time require to connect them.
These locos are only being transported several hundred metres on the float, before being lifted onto the tracks.
Also there are (as said earlier) a few 600 tonne mobile cranes with a depot less than a kilometre away.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Interesting that they lifted them with bogies attached.  Don't locos normally get moved sans bogies, due to the weight?
"Draffa"


Those cranes can each lift 80 tonnes out to 18 meters, why waste money splitting the load if the cranes are capable?





  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
Anybody know when the second shipment would be here? If the vessal were to be simmilar in capacity to the current one then we could get CSR007 - CSR010 along with the two Bradken loco's?

Probably a dumb question but who is Bradken by the way?
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC

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