Melways Edition 12, 1979

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PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

Last Saturday as I was walking back home from my local polling booth, I ventured into a garage sale and was pleasantly surprised to find a copy of Melways Edition 12, 1979.

Recalling that the proposed 'East Doncaster line' was supposedly shown in the 1982 edition (I read this somewhere on the net, can't remember if it was here) I had a look inside and was pleasantly surprised to find that this particular edition did have the proposed line shown. I bought the Melway for the princely sum of $1.

It is shown as a black broken line for the above ground sections and a pink broken line for the underground sections with only three proposed stations shown, one shown in black broken line, the other two in pink fully coloured.

It starts off as a branch coming off a bit above Victoria Park station and  then runs down the middle of the Eastern Freeway. The first station shown is located within the Eastern Freeway Reservation below Koornung Park (Map 32, E11).

The line leaves the freeway at Estelle Street, Bulleen and goes underground just before Harold Street, Bulleen.

It continues in a slightly curved north-easterly direction up to the corner of Williamsons Road and King Street in Doncaster. It re-emerges above ground after this intersection with the second station at Map 33, F8.

The line continues along the vicinity of King Street with the terminus located to the left of the intersection of King Street and Blackburn Road, Templestowe/Doncaster East.

Interestingly the line continues just a little bit past the last station, and there looks like there was plenty of room at the time to continue on into Donvale etc.

Other points of interest from the Melway were:

-The Broadmeadows Goods line, with level crossings at Railway Cr, and Blair Street which ran into the old Broadmeadows Military camp (which oddly enough had the Upfield line to the other side of it as well.)

-Ravenhall Dept. of Supply Explosives Railway Siding with a level crossing at Robinsons Road (near Riding Boundary Road) Deer Park

-ICI Australia Ltd Explosives Siding (with level crossing at Forrest Street, Deer Park)

-Proposed "Furlong' Station shown at the site of the present Ginifer Station

-Inner Circle line with level crossings still shown, albeit without stations (except for the section past the Fitzroy Branch line to Rushall) and the line to Fitzroy station is still shown with level crossings but without the station all the way down to Queens Parade)

-The old Warburton line is shown as a broken black line with the words 'dismantled railway', level crossing shown at Old Gippsland Road, Lilydale

-White City station still shown....too many sidings to list here in this area

-Lines to Port Melbourne and St Kilda still part of the heavy-rail network!

-Princes Bridge Station still shown

-Galvin Station still shown at Maidstone Road

-Altona line ending at Altona.

-Paisley Station at Millers Road

-Mobiltown at Kororoit Creek Road.

-Williamstown Pier station and lines still shown

-lines to Princes Pier from Port Melbourne

-Springvale Cemetary line not shown, (even though it was there!)

-General Motors and Lyndhurst stations still operational

-Langwarrin station still operational next to the Military Reserve

-line to Mornington intact and operational

-Clyde station still operational

-current Mornington Station and Morradoo stations shown as Railway Stopping places 16 and 15

-Coldstream still operational, and line Lilydale to Yarra Glen intact

-line from Crib Point to HMAS Cerberus Naval base not shown (probably for security reasons perhaps?)

-Parwan still operational, Rowsley Siding same as currently

-Cement works line, Geelong, intact

-Geelong South to Drysdale shown as 'dismantled railway'

-Cunningham Pier line still shown

Whew, that's about it!

 
michaelgreenhill - Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne

I allways love looking through the OLD (1970, 1982, 1990 edtns) Melways up at my holiday house, for some reason it's interesting looking over all this old railway archaeology Smile

 
ShaunDXB Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Crustacean

It's a shame to see that many more railways have been dismantled/disused than new ones built over the years.

 
mjja Sir Nigel Gresley

Location: Mount Waverley, Melbourne

My Mum has a collection of old Melways, with almost every edition since it started. Incredibly good resource for the historian. Even the rail historian. Smile

 
John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs

-The Broadmeadows Goods line, with level crossings at Railway Cr, and Blair Street which ran into the old Broadmeadows Military camp (which oddly enough had the Upfield line to the other side of it as well.)

- PalmerEldritch

That was the Broadstore siding, not the Broadmeadows Goods line.

-Proposed "Furlong' Station shown at the site of the present Ginifer Station

- PalmerEldritch

Yes, it was built as Furlong, the timetables were printed with Furlong, but when the Minister opened it, he named it Ginifer.

-Altona line ending at Altona.

- PalmerEldritch

Yep, that's why it was known as the Altona line!  Smile

-Springvale Cemetary line not shown, (even though it was there!)

- PalmerEldritch

It was not there.  It was closed in 1951, and although I don't know when it was dismantled, it would have been well before then.  The first part of it (to between Sandown Road and Bird Street?), did, however, remain in use as a goods siding for some time.

 
PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

-The Broadmeadows Goods line, with level crossings at Railway Cr, and Blair Street which ran into the old Broadmeadows Military camp (which oddly enough had the Upfield line to the other side of it as well.)

- PalmerEldritch

That was the Broadstore siding, not the Broadmeadows Goods line.

- John of Melbourne

What happened to that line? I assume it got ripped up at some point in time.

-Altona line ending at Altona.

- PalmerEldritch

Yep, that's why it was known as the Altona line!  Smile

- John of Melbourne

I kind of figured! LoL

-Springvale Cemetary line not shown, (even though it was there!)

- PalmerEldritch

It was not there.  It was closed in 1951, and although I don't know when it was dismantled, it would have been well before then.  The first part of it (to between Sandown Road and Bird Street?), did, however, remain in use as a goods siding for some time.

- John of Melbourne

Sorry I was not clear there, I meant the part which still exists today (literally, I went and walked along it today!).

That part that came off and went past the engineering building and into the pottery works is only about ten metres long now! There's also a heap of ripped up rails dug up and dumped next to the remains of the cemetary line. I wonder why they just leave them there like that?

BTW, when was the part from Sandown Road to Bird Street ripped up?

 
Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon

There's also a heap of ripped up rails dug up and dumped next to the remains of the cemetary line. I wonder why they just leave them there like that?

- PalmerEldritch

Maybe because it is cheaper to leave them there for any person to come taken them home then hire a track and transport it to a tip! Twisted Evil

 
PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

There's also a heap of ripped up rails dug up and dumped next to the remains of the cemetary line. I wonder why they just leave them there like that?

- PalmerEldritch

Maybe because it is cheaper to leave them there for any person to come taken them home then hire a track and transport it to a tip! Twisted Evil

- Railfan9949

Some of them are quite long, so you'd need a stationwagon or something bigger to fit them in! Wink

I'm assuming they are from the section Sandown Road to Bird Street that JoM was talking about.

 
John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs

-The Broadmeadows Goods line, with level crossings at Railway Cr, and Blair Street which ran into the old Broadmeadows Military camp (which oddly enough had the Upfield line to the other side of it as well.)

- PalmerEldritch

That was the Broadstore siding, not the Broadmeadows Goods line.

- John of Melbourne



What happened to that line? I assume it got ripped up at some point in time.

- PalmerEldritch

I assume so too.  Presumably the military had no futher use for it, and it was removed.  I haven't actually seen it since it has been removed.  I had the following picture of it on the Archaeology Quiz some time back:

[gallery=http://www.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=rail-arch&id=PIC032_07&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php]

-Springvale Cemetary line not shown, (even though it was there!)

- PalmerEldritch

It was not there.  It was closed in 1951, and although I don't know when it was dismantled, it would have been well before then.  The first part of it (to between Sandown Road and Bird Street?), did, however, remain in use as a goods siding for some time.

- John of Melbourne

Sorry I was not clear there, I meant the part which still exists today (literally, I went and walked along it today!).

That part that came off and went past the engineering building and into the pottery works is only about ten metres long now! There's also a heap of ripped up rails dug up and dumped next to the remains of the cemetary line. I wonder why they just leave them there like that?

BTW, when was the part from Sandown Road to Bird Street ripped up?

- PalmerEldritch

I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess at ten to fifteen years ago.  The rails you saw may be from the siding past the substation, perhaps.

 
oz1235 Junior Train Controller

I Remember about 1993-4 that bit was ripped up because i used to go the racecouse and remember the track and the Railway Warning Signs.

The original line  from Cemertry Station to Bird Street was ripped up when the Racecouse was opened The Racecourse was built in 1961.

 
Suburban_Soldier Chief Commissioner

Location: Grey Ghost

about the 1979 edition what does its transport section say? just asking because im missing a few pages from my 1978 edition and it says in the contents that it has a railway section.

 
PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

about the 1979 edition what does its transport section say? just asking because im missing a few pages from my 1978 edition and it says in the contents that it has a railway section.

- suburban_soldier

In the 1979 Melways Index, there is a listing of "Rail stations" on pages 420-21, giving their distances in km from Spencer Street (as opposed to the more recent ones which give it from Flinders Street.) Thats about all there is with regard to PT.

 
4UrbanTransit Train Controller

Location: Bored on Collins Street

I know this is a big ask can you scan at a reduced size the allignment of the proposed doncaster rail?

 
Ben-P19 Chief Commissioner

Location: Greensborough, Vic

If you go to http://www.ausway.com and find the "Melway Milestones" page (you get to it through the "Melway History" page), which shows the development of the Melway through each edition. It says that the public transport section was added in edition 13 of 1980.

Interestingly they deleted the bus routes in the late 80's (I have a 1989 edition at home that shows this), but they were reintroduced in 1991.

 
PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

I know this is a big ask can you scan at a reduced size the allignment of the proposed doncaster rail?

- 4UrbanTransit

I can scan the pictures but I need to know how to put pictures on Railpage as it seems there is no option to upload directly from my computer and I don't know what to do.

Just made two more interesting observations:

The first is on page 90 (Dandenong) where not far from Dandy station there was a siding which crossed Railway Parade (another non-existent level crossing!) into an SEC Depot bounded by Carson Street, Scott Street and Railway Parade.

The second on page 95 is the Pilkington Siding near Greens Road on the Cranbourne line in Dandy south.The track is twice as long as the one shown in my '98 Melway.

 
oz1235 Junior Train Controller

I know this is a big ask can you scan at a reduced size the allignment of the proposed doncaster rail?

- 4UrbanTransit

I can scan the pictures but I need to know how to put pictures on Railpage Australia™ as it seems there is no option to upload directly from my computer and I don't know what to do.

Just made two more interesting observations:

The first is on page 90 (Dandenong) where not far from Dandy station there was a siding which crossed Railway Parade (another non-existent level crossing!) into an SEC Depot bounded by Carson Street, Scott Street and Railway Parade.

The second on page 95 is the Pilkington Siding near Greens Road on the Cranbourne line in Dandy south.The track is twice as long as the one shown in my '98 Melway.

- PalmerEldritch

That was the SEC Head Office (i think!!!!) and NOW it goes into the New House which has a restuarant i think. The Government Sold it off in early 1990's (93-94????) when they Privateised the Electric company.

I remeber going from my Uncle(Who incidently worked from the SEC Depot) and auntie at night and travelling down Cheltenham Road and seeing the bright sign on the Building with the logo and SEC in big letters.

The Railway Sign were gone about late 94 and the rails were not lifted till about 1997

There was actually Two Sidings, because Travelling from Dandy Railway Station to Jones Road there were two crossings which went into sidings

I actually went pass Greens Road the Siding has been lifted  but anyway the railway used to go the length of the Factory with i belive a loop in the factory confinds When the Sand stopped going by Train they closed the gate(91-92???) but V-line and Pilks(shorten as Pilkington come from my dad hometown in England) did used the sidings on and off for the odd Trucks.

I belive the Track was Ripped up when the Greens Road got Duplication.

 
PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

There was actually Two Sidings, because Travelling from Dandy Railway Station to Jones Road there were two crossings which went into sidings

- oz1235



Where was the second siding/level crossing and who was it for?

Also interesting to see the SEC Depot siding isn't shown on Edition 1, 1966, if its the case that it wasn't there at the time the existence of this siding was relatively short.

 
John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs

There was actually Two Sidings, because Travelling from Dandy Railway Station to Jones Road there were two crossings which went into sidings

- oz1235

When was this, because I can remember one siding, but not two.

Also interesting to see the SEC Depot siding isn't shown on Edition 1, 1966, if its the case that it wasn't there at the time the existence of this siding was relatively short.

- PalmerEldritch

My guess would be simply that Edition 1 wasn't comprehensive enough to show all those sorts of details.

 
oz1235 Junior Train Controller

There was actually Two Sidings, because Travelling from Dandy Railway Station to Jones Road there were two crossings which went into sidings

- oz1235

When was this, because I can remember one siding, but not two.

Also interesting to see the SEC Depot siding isn't shown on Edition 1, 1966, if its the case that it wasn't there at the time the existence of this siding was relatively short.

- PalmerEldritch

My guess would be simply that Edition 1 wasn't comprehensive enough to show all those sorts of details.

- John of Melbourne

Railway Avenue had two sidings, I don't think the second one was at SEC Depot.

This Second one was ripped up late eighties i belive.

 
Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon

So what did the SEC used the siding for?

 
PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

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Here's the images of the Proposed Doncaster East Railway as shown in the 1979 Melways

 
railway Train Controller

If they ever reconsider building this line I hope they re-route it via Doncaster Shoppingtown, a major bus interchange.

 
PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy

Location: Princes Park, Carlton

If they ever reconsider building this line I hope they re-route it via Doncaster Shoppingtown, a major bus interchange.

- railway

They cannot reconsider it without re-routing it. Not only are developers extending Shoppingtown, but there is also the Doncaster Hill precinct, with several high-rise apartments popping up in the vicinity of Shoppingtown in the next few years, one of which (Southpoint Apartments?) is already under construction.

 
Hitachi Assistant Commissioner

If they ever reconsider building this line I hope they re-route it via Doncaster Shoppingtown, a major bus interchange.

- railway

They cannot reconsider it without re-routing it. Not only are developers extending Shoppingtown, but there is also the Doncaster Hill precinct, with several high-rise apartments popping up in the vicinity of Shoppingtown in the next few years, one of which (Southpoint Apartments?) is already under construction.

- PalmerEldritch

I believe that many high rise apartments around Doncaster are going under. No one interested. Same will prob happen to the Mitcham tower. Little interest.

A.

 
Railfan9949 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere between Gembrook to Healesville to Seymour to Maldon

Well the towers oustside Shoppingtown is alright, as there is a shopping centre in front of it and it's on top of a hill so it doesn't really cause a problem, but the Towers in Mitcham is just total wrong.. it will be a eye sore!!  Evil or Very Mad

 

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