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sas85 Chief Commissioner

Location: V1



Sorry, instead of "North Bank" perhaps I should have said "East Bank".

- rhino

Formally known as the Northern and Southern Abutments  Wink

 
BIG-BEAR Junior Train Controller

Due to this weekends weather forecast  the work on road bridge  on seaford rd has been cancelled . So the road is open to traffic .

 
sas85 Chief Commissioner

Location: V1

Due to this weekends weather forecast  the work on road bridge  on seaford rd has been cancelled . So the road is open to traffic .

- BIG-BEAR

Knew I forgot something when I posted..

Rain and asphalt laying don't really mix. Was looking forward to a bit of double bubble.

 
sas85 Chief Commissioner

Location: V1

There are plans for more work on the Northern Abutment tomorrow despite the weather.

Detours for River Road will be set up and an assessment will be made tomorrow weather to proceed.

 
mickeyfinn Station Master

Sorry to be a possible nuisance on this thread but have only discoverd the sites when searching information about the Goodwood Willunga line . As I am new to this type of thing please be  gentle on me and if you can direct me to the correct thread it would be much apprieciated ( correct spelling ???).

My intial query is there available on any site the complete time table for the Adelaide to Willunga line from the date of opening until very recent ?

Being born in Edwardston and lived most of my  younger days travelling on  this line since single line operation there are some things I need to clear up to confirm my memory.   Very Happy

 
mickeyfinn Station Master

I dont know if this thread is still active as I have not received any response for the time table info . My second query if some one can assist  as follows . When the Christies line was being extended about the time that the Jumbos were being introduced I noticed that turn outs were installed between Emerson and Clarence Pk stations with appropriate signals installed . I have read in other threads that this was to be used for dual running or something like that . Can any one explain how this system would have worked on this line . The cross overs were removed after some time and the line reverted to normal running . Before I moved to Perth I used this line very many years to and from the city . Question

 
steam4ian Chief Commissioner

G'day Mickey

I recall the crossovers at Emerson and also at Oaklands and Hallett Cove.

The idea was for bidirectional running but as far as I know the signalling was never commissioned. The signals controlling the bang road between Brighton and Hallett Cove were turned oblique to the track so they couldn't be seen by drivers.

Bi dirctional running would have allowed express trains to overtake stopping trains. It seems to be used a lot in the USA where there is double track, almost like two single lines in parallel. I recall similar experiences of wrong road running in Europe.

The only times I have run wrong road in SA is once when the subway was being built at Waradale when a pilot man was used for safeworking between Brighton and Oaklands and behind 621 on  a Southern Encounter between Eden Hills and Blackwood when the up track was being rebuilt.

Regards

Ian

 
mickeyfinn Station Master

Many thanks Ian you have cleared up a long time mystery to me as no one up to now seemed to know much if anything about this layout .

Do you know if the bi directional running would have been connected with the Tonsley line connection which would have been at the same time .

I could see where both  the  cross over from the city would have commenced just before  and after Emerson , but cannot see where the reverse would have been  on the down line , I think the cross overs at Edwardstown were still in place, the next place would have been where the Tonsley line joined the up line ,and the third place would have been at Oaklands where there was also cross overs.

The reverse of this on any up trains would have been at Hallett Cove, Oaklands, Edwardston, and finally at the Emerson /Clarence park .

It would be interesting to confirm if this Idea actually was serious or just another good Idea that just got to hard at the time . The Sydney Lithgow  line has many cross overs and I have been on trains from Katoomba that ran down on up lines and visa versa many times especially on Sunday services when track work was in progress .

As mentioned I have used this line from a small child , when single line running was in use and how Edwardstown was a crossover for many services . We got to know the crews very well . These were the days of the majic of railways and innocence .  Razz

 
2001 - Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.

Sorry to be a possible nuisance on this thread but have only discoverd the sites when searching information about the Goodwood Willunga line . As I am new to this type of thing please be  gentle on me and if you can direct me to the correct thread it would be much apprieciated ( correct spelling ???).

- mickeyfinn

Welcome to the Forumboards.

This is the thread you should find useful :

The Willunga Railway Line

Feel welcome to post in it, as it is a 'perennial' thread.

That thread is dedicated to questions and discussion on the history of the Willunga Line, however this thread should be used for the topic of the Seaford Rail Extension project.

 
mickeyfinn Station Master

Thank you for this info .So I should place all my queries to the Willunga line thread from now on ?I have several questions regarding the Willunga line especially in regards to items regarding Edwardstown Pengally works spur and other items .Regards

 
2001 - Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.

Thank you for this info .So I should place all my queries to the Willunga line thread from now on ?I have several questions regarding the Willunga line especially in regards to items regarding Edwardstown Pengally works spur and other items .Regards

- mickeyfinn

Sure go for it !

Actually in that thread there is a link to a page showing yard diagrams of the stations along the line.

 
dawesybj Chief Train Controller

Location: Morphett Vale Sth Australia

Back to the subject of the Seaford line work as it been off topic for the last few post. the Old honeypot road bridge is open again to road traffic so look like its finish and the bridge over the Onkapringa river getting further out over the Valley and from the Noarlunga side the bridge is over the river road side.

 
sas85 Chief Commissioner

Location: V1

Back to the subject of the Seaford line work as it been off topic for the last few post. the Old honeypot road bridge is open again to road traffic so look like its finish and the bridge over the Onkapringa river getting further out over the Valley and from the Noarlunga side the bridge is over the river road side.

- dawesybj

Old Honeypot Rd will be closed again later in 2012 for a period of time, don't quote me but I believe it will be a couple of months.

Track laying has also begun south of the Onka bridge, towards the section mentioned in a previous post.

 
Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington

Why is the North part of the bridge taking so long to move out?

 
SuperBossgc Train Controller

Location: Gold Coast

Saw some the tracks laying in seaford on a NearMap its updated on 21 December 2011. 

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-35.174179,138.489227&z=19&t=k&nmd=20111221

 
85trainfan Train Controller

Location: If only I Knew, that would make 2 of us :)

Some Photo's taken today of the current works
Goldsmith drive, Looking back towards Noarlunga Centre


The Onkaparinga Valley Rail bridge, southern Span now nearly reaching the 4th Pylon, and across the River itself.


 New Seaford Maintenance Depot yard


Seaford Meadows Station.
 


Seaford station

 
Halo Chief Train Controller

Your awesome Trainfan, some of us cannot get up there to have a look. Thanks.

 
steam4ian Chief Commissioner

G'day Trainfan

Great photos.

Pity about the caption relating to the bridge.

The beams are out to the forth pier. A Pylon by engineering definition is a lightweight lattice structure or tower principally associated with airfield beacons. Unforunately prudish media editorial staff have used the word instead of piles when discussing the vertical supporting members of jetties and wharves.  Common usage does not mnake this use a correct engineering term.

Unlike  some who are a pain in the backside piers are very happy to sit on piles.

Regards
Ian        

 
dawesybj Chief Train Controller

Location: Morphett Vale Sth Australia

most of the track is laid down from the other side of Goldsmith drive to the southern part of the bridge over the Onkapringa River now . The bridge/Viduct is almost half way over the river. on the seaford side of the onka river more works are going on might have to go for a drive this long weekend and take some pictures if only i knew how to post them on here lol.

 
nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: Rubber Tyred Vehicle track design office



Why is the North part of the bridge taking so long to move out?

- Tonsley213

In the last week I went on a tour of this site and we were told that an aboriginal burial site was uncovered during excavation of the cutting adjacent the Northern Abutment. As a result the local Kaurna Elders were consulted and the remains were reinterred with the required ceremony at a nearby location. A good outcome for all.

 
85trainfan Train Controller

Location: If only I Knew, that would make 2 of us :)

most of the track is laid down from the other side of Goldsmith drive to the southern part of the bridge over the Onkapringa River now . The bridge/Viduct is almost half way over the river. on the seaford side of the onka river more works are going on might have to go for a drive this long weekend and take some pictures if only i knew how to post them on here lol.

- dawesybj



Here is some Pictures from 28th march.  From my observations not much changes for about a week, then lots of changes happen at once.
When i last saw the works, tracks was laid from Goldsmith drive overpass to the Old Honeypot rd bridge. (Stacks of sleepers between Noarlunga Centre and the Goldsmith Drve overpass ready to be laid). Track laid from the northern end of the depot at Seaford meadows to the Seaford Meadows Station. Seaford Meadows station was getting the overpass and stair/ramp support structures erected. Workers were re-enforcing the walls under the Seaford Rd Bridge. Seaford Station was getting the Lift wells and Platform faces installed and the carpark area was being levelled.

The meeting point of the Bridge Structures



Steel Sleepered Points inside Seaford Depot.

The New southern Section of the Seaford Rd Bridge

Seaford Meadows station

 
85trainfan Train Controller

Location: If only I Knew, that would make 2 of us :)

Some Photo's from work's Today

A stitched "photo" showing most of the Onkaparinga Rail Bridge (the ORB)

The Southern spans, out even further now. I never realized the bridge isn't actually level till now. it has a gradient up towards Noarlunga Centre.

Seaford Meadows station. Ramps to station getting attention. A few long runs here if your late for a train Smile

Lynton Tce (Nth side of the New Seaford Station site) Old parking bays fenced off and being ripped up for modification.

Seaford Station

 
don_dunstan Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

Thanks for those photos, it's very interesting to see the Seaford line progressing.  

WOULD a local be able to inform me as to the progress of electrification across the network?  I noticed in the some months ago in the Gawler reconstruction thread that some of the poles for the overhead gantry had started going up - have they started to do this on any other lines (like the Noarlunga line?).  Also, I wasn't sure when the reconstruction of the Oaklands-City section was being done, I couldn't locate anything on the SA Dept of Transport website and a quick trawl through the threads on Railpage didn't get a result either... would that be later this year at a guess?

 
dawesybj Chief Train Controller

Location: Morphett Vale Sth Australia

Thanks for those photos, it's very interesting to see the Seaford line progressing.  

WOULD a local be able to inform me as to the progress of electrification across the network?  I noticed in the some months ago in the Gawler reconstruction thread that some of the poles for the overhead gantry had started going up - have they started to do this on any other lines (like the Noarlunga line?).  Also, I wasn't sure when the reconstruction of the Oaklands-City section was being done, I couldn't locate anything on the SA Dept of Transport website and a quick trawl through the threads on Railpage Australia™ didn't get a result either... would that be later this year at a guess?

- don_dunstan

Heard that the Oaklands to city section is getting done after christmas this year could be from brighton to city section as from brighton to oaklands there is still part where wooden sleepers are. as for electification project it is on hold at the moment as laing'O'Roke are doing a pit and piping job on the Tonsley line to do with the Signaling. Back to the Seaford line work at the end of Noarlunga Centre plaforms laid track down to Goldsmith drive bridge today. 

 
ET423 Train Controller

Location: Earth

don_dunstan, the department site says the Noarlunga line work is being planned at the moment and will start around midyear.

http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/RR/rail_revitalisation/noarlunga_line_renewal/schedule

 

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