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SAR 900 Beginner

-  I, like most of those here, would love to see country rail operating at the levels it did years ago, but reality says those days are gone!

- 85trainfan




True, I doubt we will ever see the type of rail in this state come back to what it once was, From what I understand from this proposal is nothing like bringing it back to what it was, this is obviously a group of business investors that are interested in running their own market in rail, I doubt they are trying to take over the frieght or passenger business that would hurt any of the bus or trucking companies.

- Pressman
 
Brian 2009 Chief Commissioner

Location: N.S.W.

Gentlemen,
Is anybody on this forum able to tell me if GWA still have the lease on all the Mid-North Lines,
or,
Do they only have the lease now on the Barossa line.
And,
Has the lease been extended by another 25 years?

As I understand it, it is their intention for the New Consortium to run trains, both Freight and Passenger on the Kapunda, The Burra and the Balaclava lines.
It is also their intention to extend the Kapunda line to Eudunda.
I believe they also intend to relay the line from Balaclava to Gladstone to allow general rail traffic to run into Adelaide from Gladstone and run out of Adelaide via the present route.
Long term I believe they are looking at re-opening the Burra to Peterborough section as well.

My understanding is that their feasibility studies are done with the final one to soon be completed.

I believe that 30 plus Million dollars is available for this project. Obviously more will be allocated when the time is right.

Gentlemen, I believe this project, if it goes ahead it will be a saviour for the Mid-North of South Australia.

Freight has been looked at with Grain, Hay and Canola being the main possibilities. Of course if the railway group can transport it cheaper than road then rail freight will be more viable.

Regards,
Brian Leedham.

 
Heardy_101 Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned

Name did not need to be mentioned- the implication was there.

Once again- I will inform you for one last time the people I am dealing with are Australians- one who came from the Manoora area and one who comes from Kapunda. These are people who have been investing/have invested in railways all over the world for quite some time, they do know what they are doing and what they plan to do.

Brian, GWA does still have the leases on all the Mid North lines. The 25 year extension was because of their "good" safety record- mind you, it would be hard to have a bad one if no trains run. Not to mention the awkwardness in the event that a ghost train took out a car on the Balaklava line, as funny as it would be stupid.

steam4ian- I. AM. NOT. A. CON. MAN. You like the others have crossed that line and SAR 900 is right- by suggesting that I am trying to rip others off or attempting to, is defamation of my character and I am going to start seeking legal aid should these baseless accusations continue. Negative comments and genuine doubt is one thing but going as far as making accusations, suggestions and implications that I am trying to rip people off or trying to con people into wasting money for personal gain crosses the line.

Once again, these people have been to the area, they used to live there in it's heyday, have been to these areas since, know what they are doing, know what they are planning, and have frequent contact with locals and others involved. Me being one of them, SAR 900 and Brian 2009 the others.

For the record- I will once again reiterate that some questions I cannot answer because I a) don't know the answer or b) not allowed to answer!!! How hard is that for you all to compute? Or does computer say no? Accept it for gods sake and stop accusing me of "deflecting" questions simply because I have said I can't answer them!!

No- Freight contracts have not been discussed or won that I know of.
Money- Not my business to discuss, not really my business to know and until the day I have permission to discuss this or have been told, I don't know. Brian did mention a $30 million dollar figure, but I am not certain.

Of course those answers still won't be enough for your sensitive little brains and I look forward to receiving more crap. I've learnt to expect it since joining this place!

I also noticed moderators have changed my Railpage references to Railpage- takes away my freedom of speech but hey, not too sure I'll expect that either.

 
greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA

As crazy as this sounds, I really hope that you succed with this Consortium, it can be accomplished if planned properly.

 
nscaler69 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide the Bonsai capital of Oz.

I also hope this consortium works.

I really can't help myself here....

**SA PRESS RELEASE IN THREE WEEKS**

That's all I am going to say. Twisted Evil

- Sat Feb 11, Heardy_101



Heardy_101, I would almost say until this press release comes out I wouldn't post replys as it only seems to continue the negativity / bickering.

 
kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park

True, I doubt we will ever see the type of rail in this state come back to what it once was, From what I understand from this proposal is nothing like bringing it back to what it was, this is obviously a group of business investors that are interested in running their own market in rail, I doubt they are trying to take over the frieght or passenger business that would hurt any of the bus or trucking companies.

- SAR 900


Remember country bus runs are licensed so the operators are afforded protection.

Given that the current demand for a passenger service to Burra is one bus a week, even one train a week is going to have to either replace or compete with, this bus.

It would probably come down to DPTI licensing either a train or a bus but not both.

The $30 million Brian talks of is a drop in the bucket - in the scheme of things it is small change.    It might get the existing lines back to a state where they can sustain a freight operation at a low speed, but not a much higher speed passenger service (quite aside from the cost of vehicles, that is).

Heardy_101 - no one is calling you a conman, and certainly not steam4ian - read what has been written not what you think has been written.

My concern, and I gather Bingley's, is that this investor is trying to obtain funding on a promise of an apparently sound business case, one he may have trouble sustaining.    To this extent it is a con.

Now you may object to my saying that, but he wouldn't be the first very charming conman, if indeed he is a conman, nor will he be the last.

How do you get grains back onto rail in the mid north?

Serving sidings with SG would help because it would mean there doesn't have to be a captive fleet of BG.

Balaklava and Owen can be served from Bowmans after closing Hamley Bridge - Owen and using the recovered rail rebuilding Bowmans - Balaklava and gauge converting Balaklava - Owen.   Any usable rail left over can go Snowtown to Brinkworth.   

But why not deliver grains directly from the farms to the Snowtown or Bowmans sites and rail from there?

The problem for rebuilding is the rail has to come from somewhere and there is not all that much in SA  that can be recycled which might force the consortium to buy new rail.    To relay would also require sleepers - timber, steel or concrete, and these could be very problematic to recycle so new ones would be required.

I have a feeling the $30 million would be very rapidly exhausted before even turning a wheel.

And you are left with the silos from Roseworthy to Burra still "served" by BG.

By the way I think it is criminal that the silos and export port at Wallaroo are not rail served given there is a railway line running past both the Snowtown silos and the Wallaroo silos (just Smile ).    I have seen a continuous procession of trucks transfering grain from one to the other.

 
bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town

Name did not need to be mentioned- the implication was there.

- Heardy_101


Yet you went as far as mentioning Jane Lomax Smith by name in an earlier post. what were you implying there?


 I. AM. NOT. A. CON. MAN. You like the others have crossed that line and SAR 900 is right- by suggesting that I am trying to rip others off or attempting to, is defamation of my character and I am going to start seeking legal aid should these baseless accusations continue. Negative comments and genuine doubt is one thing but going as far as making accusations, suggestions and implications that I am trying to rip people off or trying to con people into wasting money for personal gain crosses the line.
- Heardy_101


Go back and read what I actually wrote? I could not be referring to you as you had already made it quite clear in several posts prior to mine that you are not involved in the money side of things.

As for your contacts, perhaps 'conned' was not the right word, but I worded my a point in such a way to suggest that it was unlikely any money had changed hands at this stage. 


Once again, these people have been to the area, they used to live there in it's heyday, have been to these areas since, know what they are doing, know what they are planning, and have frequent contact with locals and others involved. Me being one of them, SAR 900 and Brian 2009 the others.
- Heardy_101



Absolutely meaningless statement.

I spent a good part of the 80s covering every inch of those lines and visiting just about every rail served silo. I have relatives that still farm in the Mid North and regularly speak to them about transport issues. I campaigned, with others, to try and prevent the closure of a lot of these lines and then worked on several consultancies with the grain handlers, the rail operators, local and state governments on trying to get some of these line re-opened.

So mate, I'm just as genned up as your boys!


stop accusing me of "deflecting" questions simply because I have said I can't answer them!!
- Heardy_101



I only mentioned deflection once. and that was a couple of simple questions you avoided answering.


No- Freight contracts have not been discussed or won that I know of.
- Heardy_101


Ok, here's the thing. No one is going to stump millions of dollars unless a contract, or heads of agreement, are in place the people that have freight to move.  


Money- Not my business to discuss, not really my business to know and until the day I have permission to discuss this or have been told, I don't know. Brian did mention a $30 million dollar figure, but I am not certain.
- Heardy_101


I understand that you can't say much about the money side of things, but let's just say that figure is correct - at best that's going to let you reconnect Kapunda and Eudunda and leave nothing in the bank for anything else.


Of course those answers still won't be enough for your sensitive little brains and I look forward to receiving more crap. I've learnt to expect it since joining this place!
- Heardy_101


Sensitive? Moi? 

Yes I've asked a lot of questions, and yes I acknowledge that for reasons of commercial in confidence you can't answer all of them. But a lot of my questions have been very straightforward basic stuff that have also not generated answers.  


I also noticed moderators have changed my Railpage references to Railpage Australia™- takes away my freedom of speech but hey, not too sure I'll expect that either.
- Heardy_101


It's been an automatic feature of the site for years.

BTW There is no such thing as freedom of speech. People wouldn't be talking about suing me if there was Laughing

 
bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town

Top cat,
I think the Adelaide Bypass the bingley was referring to was the one that Ron Bannon was involved in, sorry a bit O/T here.
Regards,

- Brian 2009


Correct. 

 
bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town

I believe they also intend to relay the line from Balaclava to Gladstone to allow general rail traffic to run into Adelaide from Gladstone and run out of Adelaide via the present route.

- Brian 2009


100 kms of new track for 80km running at 25km axle load is going to cost you around $200 million. At present there are less than two trains a day requiring access from Gladstone to Adelaide and even if you picked up all the grain in between Gladstone and Balaklava, at best you'd have three a day in a good year.

Back of the envelope stuff guys. C'mon get with the programme.


Gentlemen, I believe this project, if it goes ahead it will be a saviour for the Mid-North of South Australia.

Regards,
Brian Leedham.
- Brian 2009


It will be the absolute death knell. Because so much of what has been written so far is absolute bollocks.

So that when someone does come along and does put a valid case for getting say getting the 300,000 tpa from Roseworthy back on rail, they are going to get laughed out of the corridors of power, because of the fairyland proposals made by 'that last lot of loonies that came through the door'.    

 
2001 - Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.

Righty ....

...also noticed moderators have changed my Railpage references to Railpage Australia™- takes away my freedom of speech but hey, not too sure I'll expect that either.

- Heardy_101

You have proof ?

No, of course you haven't as it's a false accusation.

As mentioned by Mr B. Hall earlier, there's an auto-censor in place here, which is not uncommon on web forums. Lemme guess: you took the name Railpage and substituted the letter 'R' with an 'F'.  Bwahaha !! sooo funny ! Actually the word-censor has done you a favour - more about that later.

You are neither the first or last person to present a thread with ideas/suggestions for rail in SA. The significant difference in your instance is you have announced your intention of forming a business consortium. From your opening post in the thread  : http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11366217-s0.htm  : New Consortium For Regional Rail in SA :

] I am currently at the moment devising a plan as to how I would run passenger rail in SA- particularly in regional SA. Having lived in the country for the last 10 years, the last 5 in the Mid North where Public Transport is scarce bar the few services provided by Premiers.

...Part of this plan of mine is to start up a consortium (or a group to put it into simple perspective) to revive passenger rail in regional SA..

- Heardy_101

So you are entering the forum really as a salesperson/promoter/spokesperson. You want the crowd to embrace your hopes and plans, so you ought to nail the art of selling ideas to people. Think of the Railpage Forumboard as a community hall in a township, and you have the opportunity to present a business proposition to the gathered  townsfolk.

You ought to come well-prepared with solid research of the matter, and be able to confidently respond to any questions. Just as you will gratefully receive applause from some in the audience, you have to also expect sceptics and hecklers.  It's a healthy sign, as it is proof there are people out there who are thinking critically over your words. You may not ever win those doubters over,however  a skilled salesman will at minimum have the naysayers acknowledging you've done the yards in research and consultation.

So, before you have finished detailing your designs, you ought to have gained the respect from the audience. Renaming the webforum F-ailpage (woo ! you can get around the word censor ), or whatever, is pretty common in cyberspace. However, in your situation, you need to avoid alienating any of the listening crowd, from which you ask to give  support. Personally, I don't give a fig what you or anybody tags Railpage. Call it Wankpage,  Foamer Central, Moronpage or whatever - I don't give a damn. However,,, other people do give a damn.  Take this remark :

...

]...Of course those answers still won't be enough for your sensitive little brains and I look forward to receiving more crap. I've learnt to expect it since joining this place!

...

- Heardy_101

When you throw out jibes about this Forumboard, you are, unwittingly or not, targetting the entire crowd. People will take exception to that. Learn a little professionalism, which involves identifying your detractors, and addressing them individually, rather than making smarmy remarks about the forumcrowd entire

 
steam4ian Chief Commissioner

G'day 2001

Thank you for a well moderated response to one who still has not made his name public, reference Heardy_101.

Apparently all enthusiasts are meant to go into a swoon because somebody is reported to be puting up money for a venture which appears ill conceived and devoid of any basis in reality. I have been accused of defamatory remarks made without base. I suggest my remarks stand until some sound basis and facts are presented which refute the remarks, threats of legal action not withstanding.

Your point about the presentation to a mixed croud in a town/village hall is an apt one. This forum is just such a meeting place; atypical in that all here (as far as I can see) are rail enthusiasts. A public forum would not be so responsive.  

I am heartened on this forum to find so many who have a grasp of where the rail industry is at today and some well reasoned ideas, even if we don't always agree, as the where it should head. 

For those looking to invest in rail in SA here are some possibilities.

Finance a rail connection to Olympic dam (make BHP pay to use or get off their ask your mother for sixpence)
Up grade of rail on the Eyre Peninsular so that it has the capacity to carry minerals.
Convert the Mount Gambier line to SG with a new intermodal terminal at Mt Gambier
Develop a new deep sea loadout with rail connection on Eastern Eyre Penisular
Reconsider and develop Wallaroo as a deep sea port and reinstate rail connections 

Not all the above will be viable but I believe they are worth investigating. These ventures would have more going for them than restoring a line to Burra with potentially about three train loads of grain pa. 

Regards
Ian

 
Heardy_101 Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned

Actually I revealed my name in both my topics- Mitchell Heard. Not to mention my email.

Not mentioning already mentioned names here, but there are 3 users on here who have already suggested and implicated that I am a "con" and "ripping others of their wealth". Now I understand this may have been lost in translation on my part, and while it may not have been directed at me as a person, however in my view the reference was still there.

 
bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town

Actually I revealed my name in both my topics- Mitchell Heard. Not to mention my email.

Not mentioning already mentioned names here, but there are 3 users on here who have already suggested and implicated that I am a "con" and "ripping others of their wealth".....

- Heardy_101


At least I know I'm not one of them Razz

 
kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park

The schedule to the Non-Metropolitan Railways Transfer Act 1997 provides the following:

9.1 Ground Lease

The State agrees that it will on the Effective Date sign and deliver to the Freight
Operator the Ground Lease. The Ground Lease will contain such terms and conditions
as may be agreed between the parties, including provisions:
(a) for an initial term of 50 years;
(b) entitling the State to terminate the lease in respect of all or any part of the
Operational Railways Land if:
(i) the lessee becomes insolvent;
(ii) within the first 5 years of the term of the lease the lessee fails to
provide for a continuous period of six months the minimum services
nominated by the lessee and specified in the lease; or
(iii) the Operational Railways Land or that part ceases to be used for
Railway Services for a continuous period of eighteen months;
(c) for the transfer to the State at its option of the Track Infrastructure on any part
of the Operational Railways Land in respect of which the lease has
terminated:
(i) where that termination occurs within 5 years of the commencement
of the lease, at no consideration; and
(ii) in any other case, at valuation on the basis of continued railways
usage;
(d) for rental to be charged:
(i) for rail corridors, at a nominal rent; and
(ii) for other land, at a nominal rent for the first 5 years and at
commercial rates thereafter;
(e) for the excision from the Operational Railways Land of any land which is or
subsequently becomes a Bulk Handling Facility so as to facilitate the lease of
that land to SACBH; and
(f) that the Track Infrastructure on that land will not be removed without the

prior written consent of the State.

Unless other agreements have been made GWA definitely holds the lease for the Barossa Valley line until 2047.

The other lines are less clear:  the state may terminate the leases on all the other mid-north lines since there hasn't been a service for well over 18 months if it has already not done so.

GWA don't show the other lines on their map of their Australian region http://www.gwrr.com/operations/railroads/australia/genesee_wyoming_australia

 
benscaro Chief Commissioner

But to continually infer that Mitchell, myself or anybody else are off the tracks regarding this will happen or not is out of line.

- Brian 2009

not so brian, at least in your case.

it can be reasonably inferred that you are 'off the tracks' as you put it, since you raised similar proposals four years ago, were told at the time that they weren't feasible and wouldn't happen ... and blow me down if they turned out not to be feasible and nothing happened.  

so the inference regarding you is something a reasonable person can rightly conclude, based on prior conduct.  

it is up to *you* to convince people that you have turned over a new leaf, not up to us to just erase all memory of your scheme and treat you as though you had come fresh and innocent to this.

'fool me twice, shame on me' etc.

so far as the promoter of this proposal goes, unfortunately what he tells us of his schemes bears too many of the same hallmarks as yours, and it is quite sanguine, i would say, for anyone to play the grim reaper and point at the shallow grave where his scheme will end up resting, in the plot adjacent to yours.

 
Railnthusiast Chief Commissioner

Location: by a railway line %90 of time

Directed at Heardy:

I AM genuinley supportive of your plans and whether they fail or not does not matter if it has been thoroughly reaserched and the people investing money are happy to take the risk. Risks are taken when ever we buy a new car, property even groceries!  Wink

I just have difficulty in that we have not got an option to "support" this gig out side of an internet forum, or in cyber space. I appreciate hearing back in your PM's but I really can not risk letting details out on a web forum of any sort. If you (for example) led me to a "legitimate" source, (such as a flyer or something to say here's this plan, support it please) I would no doubt ring the people running this plan and see if a young adult who lives no where near Burra, with no transport or money would be helpful. I would also see if I could get some information as well.

Can you think of the situation in other peoples minds, I would have to either give you my email or postal address which will tell you where I live, my name and all those other details that could be found in a phone book. All to someone with a very "too good to be true" plan on an internet forum.

If there was a petition or something small like that somwhere where I would sign it if it was convenient, but no option has been given with a detailed plan for what is happening.

I also realise your situation, but this internet forum should be soley used for gathering opinions and alerting people of the options there are.

I also know that the investors are in charge and you are under there "command", but they will also need to know the above.

Please do not take this as critisim, but as some advice and a point of view.

From what I know of you on an internet forum (which is not much, but enough to tell) you seem to be a decent man who will understand this, as decent men should. 

Thankyou and as I have said before, GOOD LUCK! Well Done

 
bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town

......
I AM genuinley supportive of your plans and whether they fail or not does not matter if it has been thoroughly reaserched .......

- Railnthusiast


The more I dig the more I'm convinced it hasn't been. Speaking to industry contacts it would appear that ARTC, GWA and DPTI have not been consulted on this project. 

 
benscaro Chief Commissioner

Actually I revealed my name in both my topics- Mitchell Heard. Not to mention my email.

Not mentioning already mentioned names here, but there are 3 users on here who have already suggested and implicated that I am a "con" and "ripping others of their wealth".....

- Heardy_101


At least I know I'm not one of them Razz

- bingley hall

as do i. possibly, someone, somewhere, is misleading, but that's more to do with the fairyland quality of the information peddled rather than pointing the finger at the fall guys.  a more likely option is someone has misinterpreted and read way too much into what they were told.

of course i may be wrong ... some investor out there *may* be primed and ready to make the worst investment decision in recent australian history, but generally people with that sort of money didn't get to accumulate it in the first place by investing in proposals like this.

i think 'railnthusiast' asked why this proposal is on *this* forum and not anywhere else.   quite simply -a proposal this 'off the rails' would have buckley's of surviving a town hall meeting or even the rigours of a petition exercise with a clipboard outside coles on a saturday morning.

by contrast, the  hothoused, credulous, sweaty-palmed, sheltered workshop atmosphere that pertains among a certain % of RP members, the 'discos on V/Line trains' crowd and their interstate cells, is about the only milieu where this proposal could survive.

take it out of that environment; it would shrivel up and die in 10 seconds, its dust borne away on the wind.

 
David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: Inspector 71

I don't doubt that there are a lot of people that would like some country rail back in South Australia, me being one of them but lets be realistic here,  look at it through a business propostion type of thing. What are you going to move, passengers are a very fickle trade so you ought to have some freight or something else as a back up in case passenger numbers dwindle and they will once the honeymoon period is over.

Where is the rollingstock coming from for both types of movement, who is going to pay to upgrade the tracks to a usable standard, who is also going to pay to get the active level crossings and signalling etc re-instated to current standards. Where will it run from as in a base of operations, will it run over DTEI track or anyone else's.

Would Adelaide station be the starting point of these trains, it has to be actually as there is no longer any Broad Gauge access to Keswick Rail Passenger Terminal or whatever it is called this week.

Simple questions that do not give too much away but will reinforce our attitudes some what. These are all town hall type questions that should be answered to instill some confidence into people that this proposal is actually a goer.

If these simple questions cannot be answered then we will all still believe that this idea is all pie in the sky until proven otherwise though.

By the way you were not called a Con Man that I saw , it was alleged you might be the victim of a con, they are two totally different things so look at posts and read what was written instead of reading between the lines here. Not having a go at you at all just pointing this out.

If you can get them to actually get it going all well and good, but it is not going to come cheap that is for sure. 

 
Heardy_101 Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned

I've already stated that passenger services would either terminate at Gawler Platform 3 or, should the Roseworthy "extension" go ahead, they will terminate there. The reason why this would be is so that the main metro lines aren't being fouled by our trains, not to mention the tight timetable that Gawler seems to have these days (when it's open of course). All services would connect with metro trains. (The reason why I say "extension" is because you can't extend a line if it's already there... Rolling Eyes )

I'm actually kind of hoping to eventually (long, long, long term!) have them terminate at Adelaide or Keswick as you are suggesting, the latter depending heavily on primary choice of Gauge (BG will be used initially so that rules KRPT but eventually the whole Mid North network will be SG).

Also, an edited message from the investor (s) (sent to me)

"the investors realise that passenger service alone is not a viable option but have preliminary contracts in place to provide inward freight movement to an agribusiness which is planing to open two depots in the region which will require rail access. So accessing the standard gauge network at Bowmans and relaying part of the old Brinkworth corridor and regauging the exsisting network makes this project viable".

Don't bother asking me who or what the contracts involve as I don't know, nor do I know who or what this agribusiness is (that one is new to me). If I did it would remain confidential until either the press release or I received permission to post about it.

 
Pressman Minister for Railways

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

........... nor do I know who or what this agribusiness is (that one is new to me)....

- Heardy_101

I think that the number of different forms of "agribusiness" between Bowans, Balaklava and Brinkworth can be counted on one hand that has a few fingers chopped off!

 
Pressman Minister for Railways

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

........... nor do I know who or what this agribusiness is (that one is new to me)....

- Heardy_101

I think that the number of different forms of "agribusiness" between Bowans, Balaklava and Brinkworth can be counted on one hand that has a few fingers chopped off!

- Pressman

btw agribusiness is the modern day term for farming related business these days

 
Railnthusiast Chief Commissioner

Location: by a railway line %90 of time

Must be because the Big Wigs have decided that farmer is not an appropriate thing to call someone because they are associated with wild cow boy Texans who would not be caught dead wearing anything like a suit and tie. Rolling Eyes
Seriously, who calls it agribuisness?
I just call it Agriculture or Farming, call me simple if you must Laughing

 
justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Must be because the Big Wigs have decided that farmer is not an appropriate thing to call someone because they are associated with wild cow boy Texans who would not be caught dead wearing anything like a suit and tie. Rolling Eyes
Seriously, who calls it agribuisness?
I just call it Agriculture or Farming, call me simple if you must Laughing

- Railnthusiast


It's used to describe businesses who supply farmers, not a name for farmers themselves. An agribusiness is not a farm.

 
Heardy_101 Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned

Must be because the Big Wigs have decided that farmer is not an appropriate thing to call someone because they are associated with wild cow boy Texans who would not be caught dead wearing anything like a suit and tie. Rolling Eyes
Seriously, who calls it agribuisness?
I just call it Agriculture or Farming, call me simple if you must Laughing

- Railnthusiast


It's used to describe businesses who supply farmers, not a name for farmers themselves. An agribusiness is not a farm.

- justapassenger



Children, please!

I've been wanting to say that for a while now. Anyway back to topic.

So, consumer affairs are watching me are they? Well, let them come and find me. They won't find much here in Redhill (or is that RedHELL? lol). I work at a roadhouse, babysit 7 cats while I'm at home (could almost be a farm myself), drive to Adelaide once a week to see my Girlfriend....oh and I also rip people off. That's nothing new to me. Local gossip tells me about once a week that I'm a Pedo because of my girlfriends age (she is 18 compared to me being 21). Runawaybus/train, having posted that, to me you seem just like those old grannies who have nothing better to do with their time but start crap like that. I am not a scammer. For starters, have I asked anyone on here, anyone, just one person, for financial contribution? No. Will I ever? No.

As for the consumer affairs people watching my posts, I have a message for them. If you really suspect that I am a scammer, come find me and see what you come up with!! I've already given away where I am and where I work and what I do, shouldn't be that hard. The local police know who I am and where I am, give them a bell, they'd be happy to come to the Roadhouse and have a nice hot Coffee and some of the best food on Highway 1.

I will not be intimidated by anyone one here, for the record, anyone working for or associated with the Government, either.



 

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