Historic CityRail frequencies?

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I am trying to make a series of maps showing local rail lines around Sydney every 10 years, similar to those I made for New York and other cities.  For consistency with the other maps I have made, I want to show just those services that ran at least every 20 minutes at midday on weekdays. Does anyone know where I could get copies of old timetables of CityRail lines around Sydney (including from when they were run by State Rail, and earlier) or other information on when the lines became this frequent? I'm especially short of information about the Northern Line and South Line before 2000.  Thanks.

 
boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

This might be useful:

http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://cityrail.info

As for pre Cityrail tables, I have no idea.

 

This might be useful: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://cityrail.info As for pre Cityrail tables, I have no idea.

- boxythingy

Yeah I used archive.org to make the map for 2000 but it doesn't help for anything earlier.

 
steam3801 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Newcastle

Could try the State Library of NSW.

 
kypros1992 Locomotive Fireman

Location: .....

I recommend looking at the Sydney Connections blog. There some old SRA timetables there http://sydneyconnections.blogspot.com.au/

You can also head over to http://nswrail.webs.com/cityrail19892000.htm and http://nswrail.webs.com/precityrail.htm

 
hilly Locomotive Fireman

Location: Mount Gambier

You could try the ARHS Railway Resouce Centre.


http://www.arhsnsw.com.au/resource.htm

 

I recommend looking at the Sydney Connections blog. There some old SRA timetables there http://sydneyconnections.blogspot.com.au/

You can also head over to http://nswrail.webs.com/cityrail19892000.htm and http://nswrail.webs.com/precityrail.htm

- kypros1992

I made use of those sites as much as I could, but for most of the timetables listed only the cover is shown, which doesn't help with my questions about the content.

Incidentally http://ugcs.net/~arapp/timelines/syd/ is the current work-in-progress, based on extrapolation from what information I have been able to find.

 
Crazy-D Chief Train Controller

I have copies of timetables from 1997 and 1999 for the South Line if you're interested.

I could probably do a few photos/scans of the frequencies etc. if you let me know the approximate times you're interested in.

 
simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane

I'd be interested in timetables from before the great slow downs.  Northern line one with the 4tph I'd also be interested in.

 

I'd be interested in timetables from before the great slow downs.  Northern line one with the 4tph I'd also be interested in.

- simonl

When did the Northern Line have 4tph?

 
simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane

I'd be interested in timetables from before the great slow downs.  Northern line one with the 4tph I'd also be interested in.

- simonl

When did the Northern Line have 4tph?

- threestationsq


In the mid 90s.  It didn't last very long because the reliability was pretty ordinary.  2tph Burwood-Hornsby all stations, 2tph Strathfield-WR-Eastwood all to Hornsby.  Can't remember if the limited stop trains served Burwood or Meadowbank.

 
Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.

It didn't last very long because the reliability was pretty ordinary. 2tph Burwood-Hornsby all stations, 2tph Strathfield-WR-Eastwood all to Hornsby.  Can't remember if the limited stop trains served Burwood or Meadowbank.

- simonl



Eh? What do you mean by 'pretty ordinary'? Question

 
simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane

Ordinary (adj): Mediocre, not at all good, fair to poor, not really up to scratch.

 
Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.

Ordinary (adj): Mediocre, not at all good, fair to poor, not really up to scratch.

- simonl



Hmm, okay. Why wasn't it reliable?

 
simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane

Ordinary (adj): Mediocre, not at all good, fair to poor, not really up to scratch.

- simonl



Hmm, okay. Why wasn't it reliable?

- Watson374


That is the $64000 question.

I theorise that freight crossings between the Parramatta River and Strathfield were an issue which caused flow on delays.  Others suggest that the timetable was too tight to be maintained (how tight - I'm not sure).

 

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