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awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney


I was accosted by a phalanx of Girl Guides earlier this week going down the railway ramp. Two phalanxes actually, 20m apart. To get past safely I had to buy some Guide Biscuits. Two packs actually, at $3 each, though they were of different kinds.

On closer inspection, the biscuits were made in NZ. Is this fair?

 
wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria

When I went into Safeway just before Australia Day, every piece of merchandise on their display of Australia flag items was Made in China.

 
Foamer GEEWONG

Location: Geelong

If you ever see an Australian Army ration pack, most of the content is from Upper Hut, New Zealand.

 
Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.

Even the Waratahs are made in China (partially, anyway).

 
boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

In today's globalised economy, State Interest is all about money. Patriotic symbols therefore are monetised too, long gone is the role they used to and should serve as things to unite the people and hence why we see Australian flags made in China, our Anthem remixed during one of the Sydney NYE celebrations recently. None of these things should be happening, but we must do what others do or we get left behind.

So what if the Waratah train is Made in China? It's not where the things are made, but the motives behind it in getting more bang for their buck. Patriotism is long gone dead and replaced with greed and ever striving to reach zetagagillion dollar profits.

 
Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.

What we need is a techno/trance anthem based off Judith Durham's lyrics, and an instrumental dubstep one. Laughing Gotta move on, right?

 
Foamer GEEWONG

Location: Geelong

SNIP
 our Anthem remixed during one of the Sydney NYE celebrations recently.



- boxythingy



Someone should have been charged with treason over that.

 
Melbournesparks Chief Commissioner

Location: City of Eltham

SNIP
 our Anthem remixed during one of the Sydney NYE celebrations recently.



- boxythingy



Someone should have been charged with treason over that.

- Foamer



Really? I reckon it's a terrible national anthem and a bit of an embarrasment these days.

Anyway, making fun of stuffy national symbols is a long Australian tradition.Razz

 
RTT_Rules Minister for Railways

Location: Dubai UAE

SNIP
 our Anthem remixed during one of the Sydney NYE celebrations recently.



- boxythingy



Someone should have been charged with treason over that.

- Foamer



Really? I reckon it's a terrible national anthem and a bit of an embarrasment these days.

Anyway, making fun of stuffy national symbols is a long Australian tradition.Razz

- Melbournesparks

I wouldn't I burst into tears hearing it, but its ok. The major critism has always been thats it plays at top end of register. What else could we use? Waltzing Matilda is about a convict stealing a sheep so not really relevent, God save the Queen, belongs to UK and again not relevent to Australia especially when more than half of us want a republic and/or cannot relate to our foreign head of state.

You'd have to write a new athem and I'm not convinced we would get something better. But it doesn't bother me after reading and hearing a few others. Some countries have the iconic sound and/or music. Like stars and stripes, God save the Queen or French one which my dad loves.

On the flags, if we made a law stating anything with australian national and state flags on it must be made in Australia, would this even work? Maybe if we change our flag and drop the union jack it could be part if the change?

Australians are patriotic, but not one eyed. Probably due to fact nearly half of us have at least a grand parent born OS (My kids have one on each side). We also don't have it shoved down our throat from birth like USA where the factory floor of many factories has the US flag above. Or where I am in middle east where many countries are small, have borders that until recently and in some cases still not defined or disputed and a foreign work force that exceeds 80% of total population so need the constant reminder you are a guest.

regards

Shane

 
Speed Minister for Railways

In today's globalised economy, State Interest is all about money. ... our Anthem remixed during one of the Sydney NYE celebrations recently. None of these things should be happening, but we must do what others do or we get left behind.

So what if the Waratah train is Made in China? It's not where the things are made, but the motives behind it in getting more bang for their buck. Patriotism is long gone dead and replaced with greed ...

- boxythingy


If an Australian wants to buy a plastic Australian flag in Australia, it's not the government's decision from whom they buy it. They don't ban the import of national flags so you choose from which retailer you buy it and a wholesaler chooses from what manufacturer they buy. You have that freedom in Australia. If patriotism is important to you, you personally have to take responsibility.

Was it an Australian who produced the remix on Advance Australia Fair to which you refer? Did it have Australian session musicians?

No, the New South Wales PPP train / A set /  Waratah is not a patriotic symbol, even if it is named after the New South Wales floral emblem.

 
awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

If you ever see an Australian Army ration pack, most of the content is from Upper Hut, New Zealand.

- Foamer



NZ is of course much closer than most other countries:

* part of ANZAC
* part of ANZAAS
* part of ANZUS
* part of CER (Closer Economic Relations)
* a joint body evaluates drugs and consumer affairs.
* there has been talk of a combined currency
* our flags are similar, but not too similar

 
David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: Inspector 71

The "Song of Australia" is my national anthem not that piece of smeg that is now used. This is an anthem.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg6eDQJaBcU&feature=related

 
Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld


NZ is of course much closer than most other countries

- awsgc24



And a large number of their people live n Australia... Wink

 
Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.

'I Am Australian' might be workable as an anthem.

 
boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

In today's globalised economy, State Interest is all about money. ... our Anthem remixed during one of the Sydney NYE celebrations recently. None of these things should be happening, but we must do what others do or we get left behind.

So what if the Waratah train is Made in China? It's not where the things are made, but the motives behind it in getting more bang for their buck. Patriotism is long gone dead and replaced with greed ...

- boxythingy


If an Australian wants to buy a plastic Australian flag in Australia, it's not the government's decision from whom they buy it. They don't ban the import of national flags so you choose from which retailer you buy it and a wholesaler chooses from what manufacturer they buy. You have that freedom in Australia. If patriotism is important to you, you personally have to take responsibility.

Was it an Australian who produced the remix on Advance Australia Fair to which you refer? Did it have Australian session musicians?

No, the New South Wales PPP train / A set /  Waratah is not a patriotic symbol, even if it is named after the New South Wales floral emblem.

- Speed



I'm not trying to challenge you, but do you know where I can buy actually buy 100% locally made Australian flags, towels etc? Of course I have the freedom to buy them, but are there even any for sale? The only 'Made in Australia flag' was produced in the mid 80s.

Regardless of whether or not the remixer was Australian is not the point, they obviously had reasons for doing it, that was to facilitate in the fireworks, celebration and hence generate profit for the organisers.

I found the video of the remix here:
[youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA30odfgIYk%5B/youtube%5D


Why can't the Waratah train be a patriotic symbol? Aren't we allowed to pride ourselves in our production of rolling stock for our rail system?

I know these things sound trivial, but I honesty see this Globalisation thing as just a money making thing. Either all countries give up their sovereignty for common good on things such as Global Warming (which desperately needs to be addressed seriously) Poverty (Our current system exploits hungry stomachs to sustain ourselves), or regain their sense of true patriotic pride to reinforce notions of self identity and all those warm and nice things. I see either approach as good rather than using sovereignty and nationhood as a mask of disguise for pure greed and money.

You may argue that I am being an extremist, but I am simply stating facts.

 
Melbournesparks Chief Commissioner

Location: City of Eltham

'I Am Australian' might be workable as an anthem.

- Watson374



I'm sure some people would cringe, but I've always liked that one. Smile

 
boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

'I Am Australian' might be workable as an anthem.

- Watson374



I'm sure some people would cringe, but I've always liked that one. Smile

- Melbournesparks



No one song as the anthem will satisfy everyone. Yes I would much prefer 'I am Australian', but it is just too long and has too many specific references. We don't want a repeat of the 'Donald Bradman question' problem (Australian Citizenship testing).

ie. "I am Albert Namatjira, I paint the ghostly gums I am Clancy on his horse, I'm Ned Kelly on the run I'm the one who waltzed Matilda, I am Australian".

We need an anthem that has a tune of I am Australian and as succinct as Advance Australia Fair.

Question: has anyone heard of the song "Advance Australia"? It's another 'patriotic song' containing something along the lines of "through drought and flooding rains, and even times of war... Advance Australia, as far as we can....We can advance Australia, like we done before". I remember hearing it, but can never find it on Youtube or its' full lyrics through google without them suggesting Advance Australia Fair

May I also question why these songs are very rarely heard?:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Eot7XDk8Y



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwWlWyuai7U

 
YM-Mundrabilla Chief Commissioner

Location: Mundrabilla or Narvik if I get half a chance

Whatever the National Anthem may be there is one thing we can be sure of:

The AFL will hire some clown to murder it when sung at the football. Perhaps, if it was sung properly, the players etc would stand still, stop hugging each other or scratching themselves for a minute.

The (whatever) National Anthem should be sacred - you do not hear the Yanks, the Frogs or the Germans for example murdering theirs the way some here do to ours. Sad

Reminds me of the time years ago (when I used to go to church) there was no recognition one year of ANZAC Day in the service. I took this up with the powers that be and even offered to buy the church an Australian (genuine made in Australia !!) flag to hang in the church.  This, apparently, was akin to religious treason or something (is that sacrilege)? In short my offer was 'well and unfavourably received'.

I don't think my offer was that far out of order - but I have not been back since.

 
Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!

"Patriotism" is like every  other "ism": usually quite badly misplaced.

There is a time and a place for everything, but real patriotism isn't wrapped up in symbolism. Flags and anthems do not a country make! And dare I say I don't care to change either.

I don't know whether I count myself as a patriot or not, because I see our country doing so many things I'm not proud of. Equally I am proud of some things they have done. I certainly love my country, so maybe I am.

Who cares where stuff is made? Should Kiwis not be allowed to make biscuits for guides and brownies to sell? It hardly seems patriotic of us to forbid them to make us food! Would it be more patriotic of us to allow Kiwis to make us food if we took their country over and kept it as a possession? I don't like that idea either...I mean, somebody would have to mow it!

Really, it's not about imports and exports, is it?

M

 
GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper

Even the Waratahs are made in China (partially, anyway).

- Watson374



Is that why the Waratah symbol  looks more like a lotus? Very Happy

 
Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.

Even the Waratahs are made in China (partially, anyway).

- Watson374



Is that why the Waratah symbol  looks more like a lotus? Very Happy

- GeoffreyHansen



And they're so quiet. Perfect for meditation; good for sipping tea and playing chess; we should honour the Chinese by decorating a Waratah interior to resemble the Chinese Gardens, complete with rosewood furniture, immaculate rock/plant/pagoda combinations and the like.

Despite being ethnic Chinese (Malaysian diaspora) I find this hilarious, but didn't realise it looked like a lotus - but it does, now that you mention it.

I believe the problem is that trains have come to the same point the ferries did in the twenties - it's more effective to build them overseas (if only partially) than it is to build them completely domestically. Sad, I know, but Dee Why, Curl Curl and South Steyne were built in Scotland because it was cheaper to build them there and sail them here than it was to build them here.

 

It might surprise some people but there are Aussie made flags, Aussie made socks and jocks, Aussie made shoes, Aussie made clothes, Aussie made furniture... there are lots of Aussie made things but you won't find them in many of the larger retailers. About the only way to find them is to put "buy Australian made" into a major search engine and then it is up to you about what Aussie made things you buy... And yes it about time we had a new anthem.  

 
Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA

Wow if it's time we had a new National Anthem someone ought to ring the 'States, and tell them that their's is well overdue for a change.

Our's is barely (well not even) 30 years old the US Anthem is just about almost 100 years old!

The German 'Deutschlandlied' is nearly as old as the American Anthem, I don't think many Germans would like to see that changed.

And as for the French 'La Marseillaise' that's pre 1800! And even with a new more radical leader in charge I doubt there would be any serious talk of changing.

 
Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!

Wow if it's time we had a new National Anthem someone ought to ring the 'States, and tell them that their's is well overdue for a change. Our's is barely (well not even) 30 years old the US Anthem is just about almost 100 years old! The German 'Deutschlandlied' is nearly as old as the American Anthem, I don't think many Germans would like to see that changed. And as for the French 'La Marseillaise' that's pre 1800! And even with a new more radical leader in charge I doubt there would be any serious talk of changing.

- Aaron



Well said!

A national anthem is a stirring song about one's homeland. You wouldn't think that it should need to change with every change of politicians, nor is it something that should be giving you a religious experience.

Who was it who said "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."? I think it might have been Winston Churchill, but I stand open for correction. Isn't it always the defence of terrorists, and of leading officers at war trials and whatnot..."I did it for my country."

 
Valvegear Minister for Railways

Location: Norda Fittazroy

Who was it who said "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."?

- Grantham



It was Samuel Johnson.

 

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