cwer Junior Train Controller

Location: home
Just notice on the PTV website that the current friday only 55a shuttles will now be route 33. Will it still be just the Friday service or is there an upgrade or something?


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  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Just notice on the PTV website that the current friday only 55a shuttles will now be route 33. Will it still be just the Friday service or is there an upgrade or something?

"cwer"


Where on their website did you find that one?

Over what portion of #55 would #33 be operating?
  cwer Junior Train Controller

Location: home
Just notice on the PTV website that the current friday only 55a shuttles will now be route 33. Will it still be just the Friday service or is there an upgrade or something?

"cwer"


Where on their website did you find that one?

Over what portion of #55 would #33 be operating?
"tranzitjim"

http://ptv.vic.gov.au/route/view/6854
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Route 55 has had shuttles between South Melbourne (City Road) and Victoria Market on Friday lunchtimes for many years.  Ostensibly to service greater market traffic on that day of the week and the not insignificant lunchtime business through the legal district of the City though that occurs every day.

Peak variations on southern routes to run up to Peel Street siding (destination City - William Street) were numbered in the 30-series and these shuttles have unofficially been known by some as route 33 for as long as they have operated.  The number was occasionally carried by trams in Met days and very occasionally (probably set by a gunzel driver) in more recent times.  33 was the allocated route number back in PTC / Met days when the service would have run from and shunted at Hanna Street depot. 

The northern terminal was moved in recent times to be a couple of stops farther north as Peel Street (which was never used by the 33) was just a little too far south for the Vic. Market traffic and the crossover at the market itself which had been the shunt point was shifted to be closer to Haymarket where the trams now shunt.  

Three trams are required for the service.   They car out from Essendon having carred in following the morning peak and return there mid afternoon in time to be used for evening peak duties.  The first and last trips worked by each tram are live from or to the depot; a tram showing "South Melbourne - City Road" along Flemington Road is otherwise very unusual.
  cwer Junior Train Controller

Location: home
Route 55 has had shuttles between South Melbourne (City Road) and Victoria Market on Friday lunchtimes for many years. Ostensibly to service greater market traffic on that day of the week and the not insignificant lunchtime business through the legal district of the City though that occurs every day.

Peak variations on southern routes to run up to Peel Street siding (destination City - William Street) were numbered in the 30-series and these shuttles have unofficially been known by some as route 33 for as long as they have operated. The number was occasionally carried by trams in Met days and very occasionally (probably set by a gunzel driver) in more recent times.

"Gwiwer"

Thanks, but what I wanted to know is what was happening with this service as now there is a timetable for in on the PTV website.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
What's happening?  Nothing is changing.  Except that it will carry route 33 instead of showing no number or 55a
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Some photos of the 55a workings:

B2.2082 running a route 55A 'Queen Victoria Market' service northbound along William Street

[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/cache/tram-bits/E114_4354_595.jpg[/img]

Z3.126 heads south on William Street with a route 55a to Southbank / City Road

[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/cache/melbourne-trams/E115_2981_595.jpg[/img]

Z3.180 northbound on William at Lonsdale with a Queen Vic Market short working

[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/cache/melbourne-trams/E115_2979_595.jpg[/img]
  anuddernut Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the beach
Back in the 1960's when I took the 19 tram down Royal Pde to school, on Fridays there was a short shunt tram to Ievers St Parkville opposite Princes Park for the Vic Markets.  It was a chance to see a W2 in Royal Pde as the service was run out of Essendon Depot.  As I don't live in Melbourne anymore, is this service still operating?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
There are no timetabled short runs on route 19.  The service runs North Coburg - City (Elizabeth Street) apart from those cars rostered into or out of Brunswick Depot for which route number 19d is now used.  Any short shunts arranged on an ad-hoc basis to recover lost time show 19a but are not predictable and usually only occur after a major delay.

In general all such "odd" workings as Parkville - Victoria Market have long since vanished.  The 33 is the last of a breed which largely died out alongside tram conductors and paper tickets in the years between 1980 - 1995.  
  angus42 Chief Train Controller

Location: Around Kyneton-Melbourne
Back in the 1960's when I took the 19 tram down Royal Pde to school, on Fridays there was a short shunt tram to Ievers St Parkville opposite Princes Park for the Vic Markets. It was a chance to see a W2 in Royal Pde as the service was run out of Essendon Depot. As I don't live in Melbourne anymore, is this service still operating?
"anuddernut"


Not for many years.  The Ievers St crossover was removed (in the 70s?).  For some years on Sundays, when the afternoon headway was 15 minutes on route 19, extra alternate trips ran to Park St (Zs showed "Parkville") if a more frequent service was not running for games at Princes Park (Carlton Football Ground, later Optus Oval).  The "slow" disc on the span wire for the crossover remained there at least until the early 90s.  The crossover was also used when there was football at Carlton, often in conjunction with single-line running (on the west track, to Park St) while trams were parked during the game on the east (citybound) track; control was by inspectors at each end communicating by the track phones.  I don't recall Friday extras, but for many years I wasn't around the city to see such trips.

There were also a few extra Friday daytime trams in Elizabeth St in the late 50s-early 60s; they ran via Flemington Rd to Abbotsford St.  If there was a shortage of crews, one or two didn't run.

When I knew the Ievers St trip, it was only a single trip in the a.m. peak, to help carry students from the city for University, University High School, and Pharmacy College and other colleges a bit further north on Royal Parade; in addition, there was an Essendon a.m. trip to Brunswick Depot, which as I heard it was for wheel turning; that one returned from Brunswick about 4:15 p.m. to the city and took up a 59/49 trip; the crew travelled back to/ came from Essendon on service trams.
  Peter Spyker Train Controller

Up until some time in the 1990s, there were routes 18 and 20 along Elizabeth St / Royal Pde / Sydney Rd, which were basically shortened versions of route 19. I can't recall where they terminated, or how often they ran, though.
  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Up until some time in the 1990s, there were routes 18 and 20 along Elizabeth St / Royal Pde / Sydney Rd, which were basically shortened versions of route 19. I can't recall where they terminated, or how often they ran, though.
"Peter Spyker"


Yep, I remember that too. They also had short route numbers for most other tram routes around the network too.
  angus42 Chief Train Controller

Location: Around Kyneton-Melbourne
Up until some time in the 1990s, there were routes 18 and 20 along Elizabeth St / Royal Pde / Sydney Rd, which were basically shortened versions of route 19. I can't recall where they terminated, or how often they ran, though.
"Peter Spyker"


18 was Brunswick, i.e. Moreland Rd, but no trips actually shunted in Sydney Rd, they turned into Moreland Rd and ran into Brunswick Depot.  The heavy traffic in Sydney Rd makes it impossible to use the crossovers (just north of Moreland Rd, and in front of Brunswick Depot) in normal service.

20 was Coburg Bell St, terminating in the median north of Bell St.  This crossover is used from time to time when late-running 19s are short-shunted (or if Sydney Rd further north is blocked). Trams are clear of motor traffic here.

For some years, I think in the 1990s, on Sunday afternoons alternate trams ran as route 32 (Parkville) and shunted at Brunswick Rd, inside the centre traffic island.

In previous years there were Brunswick trips from the city in the a.m. peak, running in.  And previous timetables had alternate trips terminating at Coburg. Nowadays short workings are seldom scheduled, partly because using crossovers in the open road cause traffic problems, partly because route management is easier when all trams run to the end of the route.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Up until some time in the 1990s, there were routes 18 and 20 along Elizabeth St / Royal Pde / Sydney Rd, which were basically shortened versions of route 19. I can't recall where they terminated, or how often they ran, though.
"Peter Spyker"


18 was Brunswick, i.e. Moreland Rd, but no trips actually shunted in Sydney Rd, they turned into Moreland Rd and ran into Brunswick Depot.  The heavy traffic in Sydney Rd makes it impossible to use the crossovers (just north of Moreland Rd, and in front of Brunswick Depot) in normal service.

20 was Coburg Bell St, terminating in the median north of Bell St.  This crossover is used from time to time when late-running 19s are short-shunted (or if Sydney Rd further north is blocked). Trams are clear of motor traffic here.

For some years, I think in the 1990s, on Sunday afternoons alternate trams ran as route 32 (Parkville) and shunted at Brunswick Rd, inside the centre traffic island.

In previous years there were Brunswick trips from the city in the a.m. peak, running in.  And previous timetables had alternate trips terminating at Coburg. Nowadays short workings are seldom scheduled, partly because using crossovers in the open road cause traffic problems, partly because route management is easier when all trams run to the end of the route.
"angus42"

Before the introduction of letter suffixed route numbers the special event route terminating at Parkville-Brunswick Rd. was route 17.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
The use of many numbers has changed over the years but from electrification in 1936 the following applied:

18 City (Elizabeth St) - Brunswick (in effect Moreland Depot and in recent years trams have shown this as the destination)
19 City (Elizabeth St) - North Coburg
20 City (Elizabeth St) - Coburg Bell Street

17 at that time and since 1929 was used for St. Kilda Beach - East Brunswick via St Kilda Road and Lygon Street, official use of which did not cease until 1st November 1970.

17 has been occasionally sighted since that time on City (Elizabeth St) - Parkville workings but which I do not find in official records.  

32 was allocated to City (Elizabeth St) - Parkville with effect from an unspecified date sometime between 1993-7 so is relatively recent.  Until 1972 it was used for Camberwell (Burke Road) - City (William Street).



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