Major train accident Dandenong South (First Pic)

 
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
2. something in your car to let you know the lights are flashing
"cootanee"

like a driver?

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  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
Saw Metro diesels transporting new track on the Dandenong line late this morning. Abbotts Rd was closed when I went past tonight.
  ogigacz Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Slightly off topic.

As a result of the incident 305M is showing remnants of "The Met" and "Bayside Trains".



So during the refurbishment did they EDI just stick a cover over the original front?
  Bobman Locomotive Fireman

Slightly off topic.

As a result of the incident 305M is showing remnants of "The Met" and "Bayside Trains".

http://www.vicsig.net/photo/15247

So during the refurbishment did they EDI just stick a cover over the original front?
"ogigacz"


I thought the exact same when I saw that.

It's just a body kit of sorts, but something I never knew until now.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/train-drivers-blame-motorists-ignoring-signals-20121105-28u3z.html

The palatable answer seems to be...

1. all level crossings eliminated

2. something in your car to let you know the lights are flashing (which you won't need any more after 1.)


"cootanee"



2. something in your car to let you know the lights are flashing
"cootanee"

like a driver?

"drwaddles"



But that would suggest tht a level of personal accountability is needed.





  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
If this level crossing is to be eventually eliminated - surely it would make more sense, and be far less disruptive, to complete the link nearby between Pound Rd West and Remington Drive including an overpass? The Abbotts Rd level crossing could then be closed and the two ends of the road could be converted to cul-de-sacs, as Pound Rd West and Remington Drive are now.
"DirtyBallast"

It wouldn't surprise me If the connection between Pound Road West and Remington Drive, gets fast tracked as a knee jerk reaction.

Abbotts Road and Greens Road level crossings could be abolished (with some re - jigging of the local roads)
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
After looking at the "Railway Roulette" clip, the question that comes to my mind is, what is with some Victorian motorists?? Confused I work trains over a line (CityRail South Coast/Illawarra line) that has many vehicular levelxings, most of which have bells, lights & booms, and I've never seen the like of what I did in that clip. Granted of course that there may have been some levelxing brinksmen on this line before my time. Even this line's levelxings that have just bells & lights or just warning signs, all motorists I've ever seen do the right thing.

Jeez Louise, how hard can it be?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
My point exactly.  Penalise those who wantonly disregard the rules (without prejudice to the outcome of this inquiry) to the fullest extent possible.  From a professional point of view I am occasionally on the receiving end of such claims as "The train should have stopped because I was already on the crossing - he must have seen me ......... "  

Except in the event of equipment / signalling failure who is more likely to be held liable in such cases?  

Or put very simply "What part of STOP do you not understand?"

Due process will determine what happened on the Cranbourne line which for the meantime remains closed "until further notice" as does the road.
  BR BILL Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
The Herald Sun has obtained footage of people risking their lives at the same Dandenong South level crossing involved in the train accident. I think its time that Melbourne, as well as other Australian cities/states, invest in placing CCTV cameras overlooking level crossings. The cameras catch the number plate of cars that have gone through the level crossing illegally, and that way transit police can chase up offending drivers.

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William
  69Tram Junior Train Controller

Location: Near some private school or other
The Herald Sun has obtained footage of people risking their lives at the same Dandenong South level crossing involved in the train accident.
"BR BILL"


I've been looking at that footage and I am astonished by it. I don't recall ever seeing anybody go through a crossing which had the bells going and the booms down before - like any road rule, I'm sure it happens, but I didn't think it was that frequent an event.

There is no excuse for anybody doing it. I don't want anybody to think I am condoning such actions, or excusing the stupidity of anybody who does it. Some people seem to leap on anybody asking questions about driver behaviour as if they are trying to excuse it, and I'm not. But is this something that is really common? Or is there something about this particular crossing that makes it more likely for somebody to think they can get away with doing something so stupid and dangerous? Maybe because trains are less frequent here than at many other level crossings? Or because good visibility makes people think they can do it safely? Are the booms new, so people got used to crossing before they were there? I am just trying to understand why people would take the stupid risks seen in that video (making no judgement at all about what the driver of the truck involved in the collision may or may not have done). I just didn't realise this behaviour was apparently this much of a problem. I've seen a number of near accidents where people have driven onto a crossing before the booms and bells started and have wound up still there when the signals activated so I've noticed driver behaviour around crossings before - but not this.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
 I don't recall ever seeing anybody go through a crossing which had the bells going and the booms down before


How common?  Very common indeed.  Not 60 minutes ago I witnessed a cyclist totally ignoring the lowered booms and warnings at Edithvale.  He didn't even dismount as he rode around those barriers and raised a finger to the driver of the oncoming train which failed to mow him down by about 50 metres.  

Attitudes like that are a major cause of crossing accidents.  If pedestrians and cyclists are seen to get away with it the temptation is for motorists to do likewise.  And for those who start young by "jumping" the booms to grow up with the habit when they get their driver's licence.

CCTV or "road safety cameras" are unlikely to catch such individuals but may act as a deterrent to some.  They will identify a registered vehicle however and just as with a fail-to-stop at  traffic lights the registration holder will be held liable by default unless they identify another driver concerned.

Part of the "education" must be the imposition of seriously deterrent fines and penalty points.  The present system merely slaps you lightly on the wrist and lets you do it again and again.



  69Tram Junior Train Controller

Location: Near some private school or other
I don't recall ever seeing anybody go through a crossing which had the bells going and the booms down before


How common? Very common indeed.
"Gwiwer"


Sorry, just for the record and I should have said I was referring to drivers in cars. I have certainly seen many pedestrians and cyclists ignoring barriers. Just not drivers. And that may be because I've missed seeing it, but I've seen drivers do a lot of other foolish things, most notably entering crossings before the way is clear in front to leave the crossing.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Maybe it is time for all Level Crossings that are equipped with flashing lights and more to have red light cameras installed, same as those at traffic intersections.

And because it is even more dangerous, in that a train IS coming, slap a big deterrent on them - instant loss of licence, confiscation of the vehicle (assuming the vehicle and driver actually survived their stupidity of course), and a 4 digit fine.

Going by the videos seen, the camera installation costs would be recovered fairly quickly.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Red light cameras, special warning signals in vehicle cabs, all those thing are not going to stop someone who crashes through the boom gates into the path of an oncoming train, or thinks they can beat the train.

The only solution is to eliminate level crossings altogther, and sadly, you and I are going to pay for that. And it will happen. End of story.
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Retractable concrete slabs, designed to stop a loaded road train. They come out of the ground approx 10 seconds after the bells/lights start. Won't be any train crashes then Wink
  Serviceton_Kev Chief Commissioner

Location: Fecking here!
Red light cameras, special warning signals in vehicle cabs, all those thing are not going to stop someone who crashes through the boom gates into the path of an oncoming train, or thinks they can beat the train.

The only solution is to eliminate level crossings altogther, and sadly, you and I are going to pay for that. And it will happen. End of story.
"TheBlacksmith"


So therefore again accomodating for the lowest  common denominator. Rolling Eyes Again accepting that people don't want to be accountable for their own stupid actions! Bang Head
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".

My local Level crossing here at Kilkenny in South Australia has had red light camera's installed recently and they still try to beat the barriers and lights. As the Blacksmith said get rid of all level crossings and there wont be any problems. It has to come eventually.

 

To many vehicle drivers do think they own the road, and it is just not confined to anyone age group either, here in SA we have had from very young to elderly and every where in between involved in level crossing accidents most of which would have been avoided if common sense ( A rarity these days) was used and drivers stopped at crossings and checked properly that nothing was coming. Sure it makes your trip a little longer, but hey what is a few seconds compared to losing your life.

  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Retractable concrete slabs, designed to stop a loaded road train. They come out of the ground approx 10 seconds after the bells/lights start. Won't be any train crashes then Wink
"drwaddles"


Agree, however they will kill the truck drivers and probably car drivers. I suppose saves the railways alot.

Issue is no fix whether barrier or garde seperation will be cost effective for all and even if yo replace 10 LX a year in greater Mel, ot will take 17 years to finish the job. You need to attack the behaviour.

Option, put a set of normal traffic light there at LX and get rid of the railway related LX stuff + boom gates etc along with a red light camera, make the fine $1000 and 6 points and watch the road toll fall.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
Retractable concrete slabs, designed to stop a loaded road train. They come out of the ground approx 10 seconds after the bells/lights start. Won't be any train crashes then Wink
"drwaddles"


Assume you're kidding... 

If not Railpagers really do need to think things thru... 

Consider installation and maintenance costs at how many crossings???. As soon as someone is injured or killed by these devices what will happen!!!
But then again maybe the use of lethal force is justified Rolling Eyes  

That said it does seem that level crossings are not perceived the same as controlled intersections. Enforcement and penalties seem to reinforce this.   
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Of course I'm being facetious. However, I don't actually care about some dickhead truck or car driver who gets killed by them as they are at fault. I only care about the innocent people, i.e. those on the train, who get killed because of other people's life threatening actions. 
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
I don't recall ever seeing anybody go through a crossing which had the bells going and the booms down before


How common? Very common indeed. Not 60 minutes ago I witnessed a cyclist totally ignoring the lowered booms and warnings at Edithvale. He didn't even dismount as he rode around those barriers and raised a finger to the driver of the oncoming train which failed to mow him down by about 50 metres.

>>>SNIPPED
"Gwiwer"

And this is one reason why cyclists should be registered, and paying their way to use our roads. We need to somehow make cyclists realise that they are not above the law, and to have them somehow accountable for their actions may well go along way to achieving that.
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
It's a shame that the cyclist was not mowed down by the train. Giving the finger to the driver illustrates perfectly that he was deserving of such.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
And this is one reason why cyclists should be registered, and paying their way to use our roads. We need to somehow make cyclists realise that they are not above the law, and to have them somehow accountable for their actions may well go along way to achieving that.
"xxxxlbear"

Name a country In the world where cyclists have to register their bikes to ride on the road ?
Australia and New Zealand are the only countries In the world where helmets must be worn.
  BR BILL Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne

And this is one reason why cyclists should be registered, and paying their way to use our roads. We need to somehow make cyclists realise that they are not above the law, and to have them somehow accountable for their actions may well go along way to achieving that.
"xxxxlbear"


The only thing registering cyclists would do is deter people from cycling (who in their right mind would pay to register and use a bike in today's times - as if things aren't bad enough). This will cause them to find other modes of transport to get to and from work etc. and the simplest answer to that is to take the train.

Cue people complaining that trains are now far above capacity.

Confused

William
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
The Herald Sun has obtained footage of people risking their lives at the same Dandenong South level crossing involved in the train accident. I think its time that Melbourne, as well as other Australian cities/states, invest in placing CCTV cameras overlooking level crossings. The cameras catch the number plate of cars that have gone through the level crossing illegally, and that way transit police can chase up offending drivers.

Cheers

William
"BR BILL"

It seems that people just cannot see why the boom barriers are there in the must place. Isn't it better to be safe than sorry?

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