It obviously worked soooooo well in South Australia sooooo many years ago when they tested the "O-Bahn" so why did it go no further and gee why are they finally investing in their trains. People still prefer trains over Buses.
O-Bahn is a while elephant technology. O-Bahn is BRT but BRT is not necessarily O-Bah. It's a white elephant because it requires specially designed and fitted buses to operate on it. Nobody is proposing that here or elsewhere..
Well I wasn't gonna choose a good one was I ?
Apologies Waddly but I chose to Highlight the SA BRT as it was Bad and a good example that most people associate with BRT's - why would I have not chosen it. IT was BAD. sorry it doesn't meet your expectations of BRTs.
Quite obviously many parts of the world are opting for BRTs apparently
, though none are readily noticeable, but the continued installation and reintroduction of rail services be it Trams, light rail or heavy rail in cities around the world with overcrowded freeways and road systems is definitely a good indication that BRTs are the way go - or so you say!
I'd love to see some examples where a brand new 20km long, greenfield rail line is being constructed to serve a low density corridor with no activity centres along it. .
Perth to Mandurah is a shining example!
Bugger all inbetween most of it - all of which will in good time fill out and become the vision of high populace to warrant its construction that you desire, and already its running at good capacity.
The Ellenbrook extension would be about 15km long and the wasteland as you call it is already filling in fast with an expected 60,000 living in the Ellenbrook, Vines, Aveley and the Eastern Urban corridor through to Caversham by 2021, not counting the residents in outerlying Upperswan & Swan Valley suburbs that would also likely use the line, or the patronage from Caversham, Bennett Springs, Noranda, Ballajura & Morley.
The fact is that high quality bus services attract nobody who wants to get anywhere fast.
How do you explain the high levels of patronage on:
- Brisbane's SE Busway?
- Brisbane's northern busway?
- Brisbane's eastern busway?
- Sydney's M2 services from the City to the Hills District (and funnily enough some people are campaigning to keep the buses after the rail line opens as it will be quicker from certain suburbs - funny that...)
- Sydney's northern beaches services?
- Sydney's eastern suburbs (without the benefit of any BRT)?.
This is a laughable comparison to the subject of Ellenbrook - Essentially Inner city routes with no real way of resuming land for decent rail services. Ellenbrook is 27km out of the city and pretty much a good 60 min drive with limited public transport. A BRT is not likely to be built all the way into the city so that would mean interchange at a suburban midland line station and that means changing services and more time - something passengers don't like doing if they can be provided a fast uninterupted through service which is why they want Trains.
2 of the 3 Brisvegas routes you mention are basically inner city or CBD routes a few kms in length that no doubt due to providing priority road access to Buses has ensured that people have to use it to get around - motor vehicle use in these areas is probably hell on wheels. Not exactly a good example.
The SE busway is only 16 km long! barely outside of inner city suburbs and travels though high density housing areas where there is no rail service. I cycle that far into the city - no big deal as far as distance is concerned - some days I can get there just as fast as a motor vehicle - funny that...... this is why people catch the train.
I've travelled on bus in Sydney suburbs and I would most definitely have preferred to be on the trains the buses replaced to enable works to be done. Slow, rough and uncomfortable buses!
Good to see you could actually come up with 3 actual BRTs.
Not hard to figure out why they have high levels of patronage - no other decent public transport to use so they are forced to use it!
"Hark" do you hear the people of Ellenbrook calling for better buses? Nooooooo
I can't actually hear Ellenbrook from my place, it's too far away.
You would make a good politician - they don't hear / listen either. This Ellenbrook extension has been a contentious issue in the media for some time over here and not very hard to miss.
The fact that you are too far away means that you most likely don't have a finger on the pulse of what is really happening and thus aren't really in a position to comment. The people of Ellenbrook and a few other places want trains and not buses. its as Simple as that!
Getting back onto topic, Ellenbrook and the other rail routes projected are merely attempts at Vote grabbing as Public transport and in particular trains is a hot topic.
The Libs have likely already done their dash by failing to follow through with previous election promises in relation to the Ellenbrook line, nevermind cancellation of railcar orders only to find themselves getting hammered by the media and public due to a lack of sufficient trains to carry the overcrowded masses on all lines - not just the North South route. An extended period of time taken to almost build only a few extra Km's of rail wont exactly help their cause either.
And still the public are not asking for Buses! or stagnating backwater constructions (rectified many years ago) for that matter.
The Labs have a track record of actually providing the infrastructure required but even their promises are a bit far fetched and no doubt they will also end up with egg on face - but you never know.
The important part is that those who want to be in power are starting to realise that they need to lift their game in the realm of public transport - can they be kept honest to it - well they wouldn't be politicians if they kept their word.
Oh and Golly Geee - theres no mention of BRT's in the press release either! so I guess that means we wont be getting one - must be something unwanted and not on the agenda.