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Heritage Stations on the Dandenong Line

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Edith Chief Commissioner   Joined: Nov 11, 2004
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:18 pm
I am interested in the ‘MATHS’ stations on the Dandenong Line. These are: Malvern, Armadale, Toorak, Hawksburn, and South Yarra. I believe that they have a very functional and beautiful design and would hate to see them “modernised” into the current style. Lately, I have noticed severe cracking on some of the brickwork on a couple of the stations and would hate to think that the stations are being run down in preparation to demolition.

I have checked with the Victorian Heritage Register and have found that only Malvern, Caulfield and South Yarra Railway stations are included. Although most of the buildings at these sites now date from the early part of the 20th century, these are all old stations dating from the 1870s in the case of Malvern and Caulfield and South Yarra from the late 1850s. Likewise Hawksburn, Toorak and Armadale Stations were all constructed in the early years of the 20th Century, and these stations are all protected through a Heritage Overlay in the City of Stonnington's planning scheme.

I am neither a town planner nor an architect. Is this Heritage Overlay enough to protect them from major alteration or demolition ? Am I worrying about nothing or should I nominate them to the Victorian Heritage Register (www.heritage.vic.gov.au) ?
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:53 pm
I don't think there are any plans on the table for any of these stations, except possibly South Yarra, though still not in the near future IMHO. And just look at the fuss over Camberwell, I'd imagine the same reaction in Stonnington - prospective developers wouldn't get very far.
 
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PalmerEldritch Say goodnight to the bad guy   Joined: Jun 16, 2004
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 1:38 pm
Oakleigh station would also fall under the same style of building as well wouldn't it?

I recall hearing that a heritage overlay isn't enough to guarantee protection and that the only way to be sure is for the building to be put on the Victorian Heritage Register (which IIRC is under the jurisdiction of the National Trust?)



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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:06 pm
National Trust (Vic) is a private member-based body of do gooders who run a classification system that has no legal impact. That's not to say that they didn't have lots of good impact in saving many things before there were proper legslitative provisions in place, and sometimes still have positive effect but there credibility in our circles has been weakened by their approach a few years ago to the W tram issue.

Victoria's Heritage Register does give statutory protection for things of state significance. See www.heritage.vic.gov.au/index1.asp and the extract quoted below

A Heritage overlay is a different thing again. That's something in the local planning scheme. In a Scheme the Zones reflect the primary character of land, such as residential, industrial or rural, and indicate the type of use which may be appropriate in that zone. Sometimes, local areas have special planning controls (known as overlays), such as areas of significant vegetation or special heritage significance. These controls are in addition to the zone controls and ensure that important aspects of the land are recognised.


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The Victorian Heritage Register lists the State’s most significant heritage places and objects. Heritage Victoria maintains... the Victorian Heritage Register... The Heritage Council Victoria determines what places and objects are included in the Victorian Heritage Register; only those places and objects considered to be of outstanding significance are added to the Register. Places on the Register are considered to have special character and value and assist in documenting Victoria’s history. Registered heritage places are considered to have ‘State-wide’ cultural heritage significance.

The Victorian Heritage Register is established under the Victorian Heritage Act 1995 and provides the highest level of protection for heritage places and objects in Victoria.

Under the Act, place includes buildings, gardens, trees, archaeological sites, shipwrecks, precincts, land and protected zones.

In June 2004, the Heritage Act was amended to enable the registration of significant heritage objects in their own right. A heritage object can include furniture, shipwreck relics, archaeological artefacts, equipment, transport vehicles, and articles of every day use that contribute to an understanding of Victoria’s history. Objects can be registered in association with heritage places, or in their own right.

The process for adding a place or object to the Victorian Heritage Register is a considered one. A place or object cannot be added to the Register before the Heritage Council seeks the views of the owner.

If a heritage place or object is recommended to the Register, then owners are given a report that includes a statement of cultural heritage significance, a proposed extent of registration, and any proposed activities that may not require a permit.



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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:21 pm
chairman wrote:
National Trust (Vic) is a private member-based body of do gooders who run a classification system that has no legal impact. That's not to say that they didn't have lots of good impact in saving many things before there were proper legslitative provisions in place, and sometimes still have positive effect but there credibility in our circles has been weakened by their approach a few years ago to the W tram issue.


I think you'd have an interesting discussion as to the merits of the National Trust with a former lecturer of mine at RMIT, who is pretty high up in that organisation, Graeme Smile

Thanks for clearing up the differences between heritage overlays and the Heritage register, much appreciated.

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