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      thefatcontroller Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Sydney, Australia
    I was just wondering if anyone had any information on the knew timetable set to shake up the whole network. I have read/heard people say that there are new routes including re-routing all Richmond services to Glenfield/ Campbelltown. I am bringing this up because on the Countrylink website they have put out a notice for people booking after October 2013 that the timetable will change. (http://www.countrylink.info/service_status/service_changes)

    Any Information will be much appreciated.
    Posted: 06 May 2013 16:01

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      bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

    Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
    I was just wondering if anyone had any information on the knew timetable set to shake up the whole network. I have read/heard people say that there are new routes including re-routing all Richmond services to Glenfield/ Campbelltown. I am bringing this up because on the Countrylink website they have put out a notice for people booking after October 2013 that the timetable will change. (http://www.countrylink.info/service_status/service_changes)

    Any Information will be much appreciated.
    "thefatcontroller"


    Gladys has said that the timetables are being built from scratch, which means NSW TrainLink (Countrylink) will be using different paths to and from Sydney Terminal to fit around with suburban paths.
    Posted: 06 May 2013 16:05
      thefatcontroller Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Sydney, Australia
    Gladys has said that the timetables are being built from scratch, which means NSW TrainLink (Countrylink) will be using different paths to and from Sydney Terminal to fit around with suburban paths.
    bowralcommuter
    Thanks BC Smile

    Does anybody know anything about the new routes?
    Posted: 06 May 2013 16:24
      parraeel Chief Train Controller

    The Y Links will be Schofields-Glenfield/Campbelltown, or so I have heard.
    Posted: 06 May 2013 16:56
      bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

    Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
    The Y Links will be Schofields-Glenfield/Campbelltown, or so I have heard.
    "parraeel"

    [color=#003399]http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/all-change-new-plan-for-faster-city-trains-20120614-20d5j.html#ixzz2SUhY9Mp9
    Posted: 06 May 2013 17:12

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      parraeel Chief Train Controller

    [color=#003399]http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/all-change-new-plan-for-faster-city-trains-20120614-20d5j.html#ixzz2SUhY9Mp9
    bowralcommuter

    That article reads that the Richmond trains will go to Campbelltown, and that there would be no direct trains from Richmond to the City.

    I stated that the Y Link trains will start from Schofields. You know, the Y Link trains which used to run from Blacktown or St Marys.

    Nothing to do with the Richmond trains, which will continue as they do now- direct to the City.
    Posted: 06 May 2013 20:06
      kypros1992 Locomotive Fireman

    Location: Sydney
    From what I know already:

    - The draft 2013 timetable has been released (to railcorp staff)
    - The Inner West Line will no longer run to Liverpool (due to turnbacks and signage not showing IW info at Regents Pk etc.)
    - Obvious more services on East Hills line following K2RQ works
    - Possibility (but not confirmed) of end of direct Richmond-City services during peak hours
    - Daily Cumberland Services to return
    Posted: 06 May 2013 21:12
      bernerd Junior Train Controller

    No end to Richmond-City services.

    Also Cumbo only runs roughly 7 - 7 weekdays.
    Posted: 06 May 2013 21:23
      thefatcontroller Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Sydney, Australia
    Will the inner west line now utilise the homebush turnback?
    Posted: 06 May 2013 22:07
      Watson374 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
    Will the inner west line now utilise the homebush turnback?
    "thefatcontroller"
    I believe it is very likely to do so, in concert with the Lidcombe turnback.
    Posted: 06 May 2013 23:11
      HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

    I believe it is very likely to do so, in concert with the Lidcombe turnback.
    Watson374
    Definitely (AFAIK Razz)
    Posted: 06 May 2013 23:13

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      mboi84 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney
    No end to Richmond-City services.

    Also Cumbo only runs roughly 7 - 7 weekdays.
    bernerd

    Ah as far as I am aware, the Cumberland line only runs Monday to Friday in the peak - total of two trains during the morning and two in the afternoon (Could be three each way but have only ever seen two trains run from Blacktown or arrive into blacktown from the Cumberland line.

    I have said over the last few years that the Richmond line should become the Richmond Cumberland line, with trains being all stations from Richmond to Campbelltown and vise versa. Would make more sense freeing up more services
    Posted: 07 May 2013 09:43
      mboi84 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney
    I also think that all future NSW TrainLink services should terminate Penrith for Blue Mountains, Hornsby for Newcastle, Waterfall/Sutherland for Wollongong/south coast services and Campbelltown for all southern highlands services. I know this will cause some outrage but would allow more Sydney Train services to run on the dedicated Sydney Trains Metro Network without having to delay services for both organisations if there are problems (not 100% fault proof but could limit or reduce delays).

    I do believe the epping to Strathfield services should terminate at Strathfield or at least central. This would mean the Western Line trains will run through the ECRL and up to Hornsby/Berowra.
    Posted: 07 May 2013 09:47
      bernerd Junior Train Controller

    Mboi: Ah as far as I am aware we are discussing the October 2013 timetable, as suggested by the title of the thread. Cumberland Line will run roughly 7 - 7, half hourly. Blacktown - Campbelltown in peaks, extend to Schofields in offpeak.

    Also FYI it's 2 in the morning, 3 in the arvo at present.
    Posted: 07 May 2013 09:53
      mboi84 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney
    Mboi: Ah as far as I am aware we are discussing the October 2013 timetable, as suggested by the title of the thread. Cumberland Line will run roughly 7 - 7, half hourly. Blacktown - Campbelltown in peaks, extend to Schofields in offpeak.

    Also FYI it's 2 in the morning, 3 in the arvo at present.
    bernerd

    Hi Bernerd - my bad. I really should have looked at the discussion better so my apologies.

    I wasn't sure what it was currently but I knew there was more the arvo than morning peaks.
    Posted: 07 May 2013 10:39
      bernerd Junior Train Controller

    Cumberlands will be all 4 cars as well btw.
    Posted: 07 May 2013 11:16
      mboi84 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney
    Cumberlands will be all 4 cars as well btw.
    bernerd

    seriously - 4 cars??? they need either 6 or 8 really!!
    Ive seen how packed it gets at Parramatta and 4 cars is certainly not enough
    Posted: 07 May 2013 11:19
      bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

    Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
    I also think that all future NSW TrainLink services should terminate Penrith for Blue Mountains, Hornsby for Newcastle, Waterfall/Sutherland for Wollongong/south coast services and Campbelltown for all southern highlands services. I know this will cause some outrage but would allow more Sydney Train services to run on the dedicated Sydney Trains Metro Network without having to delay services for both organisations if there are problems (not 100% fault proof but could limit or reduce delays).

    I do believe the epping to Strathfield services should terminate at Strathfield or at least central. This would mean the Western Line trains will run through the ECRL and up to Hornsby/Berowra.
    "mboi84"


    As good as it may be, it is political suicide. Barry won't ever introduce that due to huge outrage commuters would show, as you mentioned.
    Posted: 07 May 2013 13:33
      HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

    I also think that all future NSW TrainLink services should terminate Penrith for Blue Mountains, Hornsby for Newcastle,
    mboi84
    As good as it may be, it is political suicide. Barry won't ever introduce that due to huge outrage commuters would show, as you mentioned.
    bowralcommuter
    Nooooooooooo. Fancy not being able to get interburbans into Sydney just so the other trains run more smoothly. Build them dedicated tracks rather than kick them out of the city (not going to happen either).
    That would definitely be another reason not to vote for Baz O'Faz.
    Posted: 07 May 2013 13:36

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      Rad Locomotive Fireman

    Location: Gerringong NSW
    I can't see the advantage. Plenty of room for train capacity in off peak. In peak it would fill a train with the one being terminated so gain nothing towards capacity and only inconvenience commuters.
    Posted: 07 May 2013 13:45
      evilestfunkiest Beginner

    im kind of new here so forgive my ignorance,but was read that news article it said something about the new timetable not being implemented till late next year,so is it changing this year and again next year
    Posted: 07 May 2013 13:58
      bambul Station Master

    Location: Sydney
    The new signage at Milsons Point has citybound trains from there running through to Epping and Richmond, which suggests that the Northern Line will not terminate at Central and the Richmond Line will still have direct services to the city. If that were not the case, then I would not expect to see the signage being changed twice in a matter of months (it would make more sense to redo the signage at other stations first, and wait until the new timetable was confirmed, before putting up signs at Milsons Point without Epping and/or Richmond).

    Of course, that assumes that the new TfNSW structure has created good communication between the different parts of the transport bureaucracy, and that it is functioning efficiently with forward planning. If that's not the case, then disregard the first paragraph. But if I had to put a wager on it, I'd say the government has decided not to cut direct services for either the Northern or Richmond Lines.
    Posted: 07 May 2013 14:25
      bernerd Junior Train Controller

    No Western or Northern Line stations lose a direct service in the October timetable. Period. The only change is that Northern Line services don't always become Northern Line services after passing through Central as is currently the case - ie some Emu Plains/Richmond etc services will go via the ECRL.
    Posted: 07 May 2013 14:31
      mboi84 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney
    Nooooooooooo. Fancy not being able to get interburbans into Sydney just so the other trains run more smoothly. Build them dedicated tracks rather than kick them out of the city (not going to happen either).
    That would definitely be another reason not to vote for Baz O'Faz.
    HeadShunt

    That's the problem, there isn't any room on the western line to build more tracks sadly, unless you build a tunnel which I can't see happening because just the total cost would be astronomical. The only interurbanss I like are the OScars. The V set are nice but not practical for people in wheelchairs - I should know. When I have to get on one I end up staying hwere the doors are and I hate it because its cold or hot, cramped and smelly of urine when dirty grommets decide to urinate on the entry carpet instead of going to the loo's at the other ends or next carriages!!
    Posted: 07 May 2013 15:29
      mboi84 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney
    As good as it may be, it is political suicide. Barry won't ever introduce that due to huge outrage commuters would show, as you mentioned.
    bowralcommuter
    I hear you and totally agree it would be political suicide but if I remember correctly, I believe it was one of the former transport ministers who said that changing at certain stations for certain services is the only way to break up the issues (or at least most of them) and that interchanging will be a thing of the future and I hate to say it, but its true. Just look at London underground or in fact the whole of the train system there, you have interchange to go to certain places. Not all trains should go to the city and I agree, its going to probably have to get to the point in which interchanging for certain services is just going to be usual practise
    Posted: 07 May 2013 15:37

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