Rail plan threatens homes

 

News article: Rail plan threatens homes

Homes and business premises in Melbourne's south-east could be wiped off the map to make way for extra tracks along the Dandenong railway line to carry freight trains from the Port of Hastings.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Homes and business premises in MelbourneTesting!'s south-east could be wiped off the map to make way for extra tracks along the Dandenong railway line to carry freight trains from the Port of Hastings.



The plan to build ''an additional track or tracks'' along the heavily congested rail line is contained in a briefing to Premier Denis Napthine and Transport Minister Terry Mulder, which was obtained by Fairfax Media through freedom of information.



The plan revives elements of the former Bracks government's doomed $1 billion Dandenong triplication project. If that project had proceeded, a large number of houses and commercial premises along the rail line - particularly between Caulfield and Oakleigh stations - would have been acquired.

"Rail plan threatens homes"


View the full story

Good rail links are what is required for Hastings.  This is a sensible project requiring support.

Is SG also worth considering?



Regards
Brian

Sponsored advertisement

  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
View the full story

Good rail links are what is required for Hastings.  This is a sensible project requiring support.

Is SG also worth considering?



Regards
Brian
bevans
I honestly think that BG would be better because that means you can run V/Line and other BG freights such as the Maryvale train on the new tracks if you wish.
  TedHanson Junior Train Controller

Surely this is worth a $20 million feasibility study. How else can we are maintain our ranking as the number 1 feasibility study city in the world?
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
While it's true that Caulfield - Oakleigh would present considerable problems for additional tracks, The Oakleigh - Dandenong section has a very wide reservation nearly all the way and would be much easier. With most freight going at night, surely the Oakleigh - Caulfield bottle neck wouldn't be such a problem. Very Happy
  Roda Station Master

Location: Canberra
If it were to be a dedicated line, couldn't it be dual SG/BG, and thus eliminating the break of gauge for steel trains?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
If it were to be a dedicated line, couldn't it be dual SG/BG, and thus eliminating the break of gauge for steel trains?
Rod Avery
Would be silly not to DG any track to a new port of hastings.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
What about the track between Dynon and Caulfield ? forgotten about !
  Roda Station Master

Location: Canberra
Understood Nightfire, but Brisbane and Perth have dual gauge sections within their suburban network, so what would be the difference between Dynon and Caulfield?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Understood Nightfire, but Brisbane and Perth have dual gauge sections within their suburban network, so what would be the difference between Dynon and Caulfield?
Rod Avery
5ft 3in and 4ft 8 1/2 in dual gauge track has massive problems with speed restrictions on the broad gauge. Its going to have to be all SG or nothing SG.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Understood Nightfire, but Brisbane and Perth have dual gauge sections within their suburban network, so what would be the difference between Dynon and Caulfield?
"Rod Avery"


First the passenger platforms need to be all on the same side of the track (they are not) In Perth they are.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
First the passenger platforms need to be all on the same side of the track (they are not) In Perth they are.
Nightfire

This would only matter if you intended to run SG passenger trains though wouldn't it? If it was purely a freight line to Hastings then it shouldn't matter what side of the track the platforms were on as the SG trains should be within the current BG loading gauge.

If in the future SG passenger trains were introduced it would probably be easier to bite the bullet and convert all the Caulfield group lines to SG in their entirety and then move the track slightly towards the platform face rather than rebuilding numerous platforms for not much gain.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
convert all the Caulfield group lines to SG in their entirety
jakar
Including the Bairnsdale line?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
If in the future SG passenger trains were introduced it would probably be easier to bite the bullet and convert all the Caulfield group lines to SG in their entirety and then move the track slightly towards the platform face rather than rebuilding numerous platforms for not much gain.
jakar
That would mean converting the entire suburban fleet and all lines to standard gauge. Surely you must be kidding?
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
This is starting to belong in either the Armchair or Foaming forum...
  Simbera Train Controller

That would mean converting the entire suburban fleet and all lines to standard gauge. Surely you must be kidding?
TheBlacksmith
Pretty sure jakar's point was that it's not an issue, because it doesn't affect things as long as it stays BG, and even if we do eventually go SG on the suburban network it's no more difficult to fix than it otherwise would be. I don't think it was suggesting that we actually do convert suburban passenger trains to SG any time soon.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Pretty sure jakar's point was that it's not an issue, because it doesn't affect things as long as it stays BG, and even if we do eventually go SG on the suburban network it's no more difficult to fix than it otherwise would be. I don't think it was suggesting that we actually do convert suburban passenger trains to SG any time soon.
"Simbera"


Spot on Simbera. I actually didn't think my post was too hard to understand, but to clarify for those who missed the point or immediately took the worse case scenario option (which seems to be a common trait on RP), all I was saying (in response to Nightfire's suggestion that all suburban platforms would need to be rebuilt to be on the same side of the track) was that if the line was to be made dual gauge and as long as the SG was used purely for freight then the stations would not have to be touched as the SG loading gauge would be within the BG loading gauge. In the case of Brisbane and Perth, the stations would be a factor as you are going from a smaller to larger loading gauge and therefor to make life easier they would need to be on the same side.

I then went on to say that if (and to reiterate, only if) SG passenger trains were introduced it would probably be a good time to gauge convert the entire line instead of tinkering around the edges so to speak and rebuilding stations just so you can run both BG and SG passenger trains. Am I suggesting this should happen? No. Would it cost a bucket load of money? Yes. Would you have to gauge convert the entire Melbourne track and fleet? No. Would it be a pain in the backside in regards to suburban fleet and track separation etc? Of course it would. Would there be benefits for freight on the Hastings and Gippsland lines? Yep. Would the benefits outway the cost? Don't know but given the cost of anything "railway" these days most likely not.

I hope that clears up where I was coming from for those that didn't comprehend my initial post.

jakar
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I would think if there was to be changes made for a freight only line, then it would want to be able to accommodate double-height container traffic and therefore would not be able to be electrified. This would also suit the V/Line traffic.

Sponsored advertisement

Display from:   

Quick Reply

We've disabled Quick Reply for this thread as it was last updated more than six months ago.