PIDS going bonkers

 
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
What was the deal with those three car Comengs that were taking racegoers to Moonee Ponds/Valley for the Cox Plate today?
The PIDs and destos said Essendon, but Metro staff told everyone to get off when the spark was at Moonee Ponds.
Even the talking brick at Moonee Ponds said there were trains "stopping all stations to Essendon."

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
What was the deal with those three car Comengs that were taking racegoers to Moonee Ponds/Valley for the Cox Plate today?
The PIDs and destos said Essendon, but Metro staff told everyone to get off when the spark was at Moonee Ponds.
Even the talking brick at Moonee Ponds said there were trains "stopping all stations to Essendon."
"Gauntlet"

This:
We’re running extra trains to and from the Cox Plate at Moonee Valley Racecourse this Saturday 27 October.  
To Moonee Ponds/Essendon

Trains will depart Flinders Street (platform 4/5) stopping at Southern Cross, North Melbourne, Moonee Ponds and Essendon.

Trains will depart Flinders Street from 10:37am and then every 20 minutes until 1:17pm.

From Essendon/Moonee Ponds

Trains will depart Essendon stopping at Moonee Ponds, North Melbourne, Melbourne Central, Parliament and Flinders Street.

Trains will depart every 20 minutes from 5:37pm – 8:00pm.  

"Metro Trains"

I'm not sure why they said "stopping all station" though.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Did they, perhaps, terminate in platform 1 at Essendon?  


  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Did they, perhaps, terminate in platform 1 at Essendon?

"YM-Mundrabilla"

Must have.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Did they, perhaps, terminate in platform 1 at Essendon?
"YM-Mundrabilla"


No, after leaving Moonee Ponds the spark waited for a few minutes at Essendon platform 3 and then headed toward Craigieburn.
Why didn't they just say it was a Moonee Ponds train and make sure they didn't use Hitachis?
And will Metro get fined for terminating these services short of their destination?
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
Did they, perhaps, terminate in platform 1 at Essendon?
"YM-Mundrabilla"


No, after leaving Moonee Ponds the spark waited for a few minutes at Essendon platform 3 and then headed toward Craigieburn.
Why didn't they just say it was a Moonee Ponds train and make sure they didn't use Hitachis?
And will Metro get fined for terminating these services short of their destination?
"Gauntlet"

Probably not if they were extra services instead of regular timtabled services.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Caught 934M to Lilydale this morning and it appears to have problems with the announcements. As an example, this was the welcome message I heard:

"Welcome to Metro Direct to Lilydale Williamstown".
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Interesting, maybe they are finally upgrading the aging electronics on the X'Trapolis fleet, considering that 'Williamstown' wasn't part of the original vocabulary.
  electric Chief Train Controller

Location: Ist mir egal
I've now had two different trips where a Mk I X'Trap has consistently announced "Limited Express *station* " for the arrival announcement (LED's being correct)
  712M Chief Commissioner

Interesting, maybe they are finally upgrading the aging electronics on the X'Trapolis fleet, considering that 'Williamstown' wasn't part of the original vocabulary.
"Heihachi_73"


Williamstown may be in their vocabulary so they can announce "Arriving North Melbourne - Change for Upfield, Craigieburn, Sydenham, Werribee and Williamstown services" on Racecourse trains (The Flemington line was part of the Hillside network prior to the merge, however X'traps have never took pax out there as of yet). Similarly they announce the southern destinations when arriving at Richmond.
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
Interesting, maybe they are finally upgrading the aging electronics on the X'Trapolis fleet, considering that 'Williamstown' wasn't part of the original vocabulary.
"Heihachi_73"

All the original XTraps are having their PIDs and driver display units etc upgraded to the same as the newer XTraps
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
It's quite trivial but I noticed the other day an X'Trap at North Melbourne, The front most (in direction of travel) side desto' was showing a static "NOT IN SERVICE" yet all the others on that train had it scrolling. (It was a MkI with the MkII system)
  msheldrick Station Staff

I've now had two different trips where a Mk I X'Trap has consistently announced "Limited Express *station* " for the arrival announcement (LED's being correct)
"electric"


I managed to get a recording of the Richmond announcement, you can listen to it here
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I saw a strange one at Sunshine today.
1:43 Wendouree
runs express to Rockbank,
Melton to Bacchus Marsh
then stops all stations.

The Vlocity waited for an up Ballarat immediately after Rockbank and did not stop at Parwan.
  Z181 Chief Train Controller

Location: Mernda
Speaking of announcements. I noticed at Melbourne Central today that Southern Cross has been removed and replaced with just "Spencer Street"

eg.

"Running Express from Melbourne Central to Spencer Street. Stopping all stations to South Yarra........"
  ChoooChoo Chief Train Controller

Doesn't it usually say "Southern Cross AND Spencer Street"

Which is annoying in itself because it suggests that they are two separate stations! I think it's time now they cease their "roll over" period...
  Z181 Chief Train Controller

Location: Mernda
Doesn't it usually say "Southern Cross AND Spencer Street"

Which is annoying in itself because it suggests that they are two separate stations! I think it's time now they cease their "roll over" period...
ChoooChoo
Normally its "Southern Cross at Spencer Street" unlike onboard the trains where it was "Southern Cross on Spencer Street"

They have dropped the Southern Cross however now on station announcements.
  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
I always hear it as "Southern Cross at Spencer Street", rather than and.
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

Today the brick told me my morning city loop train from Craigieburn was now 'stopping all stations to Flinders St except Spencer St'.
Which was technically true, I guess. Defective train at Nth Melb so we ran direct, and it didn't stop at any Spencer St.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
I was on an xtrap from Lilydale the other day, and at Richmond it was altered to run direct to Flinders Street instead of via the loop.  Both the station and the driver made appropriate announcements, but as the train approached Flinders Street, the Voice said "Now arriving at Parliament.  Change here for....", and the PID displayed "Parliament".  Why was this?
  Z181 Chief Train Controller

Location: Mernda
I was on an xtrap from Lilydale the other day, and at Richmond it was altered to run direct to Flinders Street instead of via the loop.  Both the station and the driver made appropriate announcements, but as the train approached Flinders Street, the Voice said "Now arriving at Parliament.  Change here for....", and the PID displayed "Parliament".  Why was this?
Lad_Porter
Have a funny feeling that the PIDs when in the loop run on distance travelled. System GPS probably couldn't get a signal to correct itself.
With the old ALSTOM system on the Comengs and XTraps it used to revert back to "WELCOME TO CONNEX TRAINS" when doors opened at a station it wasn't programmed or service was meant to stop at and then it would correct itself at the next station.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Have a funny feeling that the PIDs when in the loop run on distance travelled. System GPS probably couldn't get a signal to correct itself.
Z181
But it wasn't in the loop.  It was scheduled for the loop, but ran direct from Richmond to Flinders Street.  If it was relying on GPS, it should have had a signal.
  Xiphias Locomotive Driver

Location: Riding the rails
I was on an xtrap from Lilydale the other day, and at Richmond it was altered to run direct to Flinders Street instead of via the loop.  Both the station and the driver made appropriate announcements, but as the train approached Flinders Street, the Voice said "Now arriving at Parliament.  Change here for....", and the PID displayed "Parliament".  Why was this?
Lad_Porter


This is because:
a) Stopping announcements are made in order from a pre-programmed stopping pattern determined by the Train Describer (TD) number entered by the driver into the Driver's Display Unit (DDU) when he/she takes over the train; and
b) The trains use GPS signals assisted with dead reckoning to determine their location; and
c) When approaching Flinders Street from Richmond you are also heading in the general direction of Parliament.
The combination of these will cause an announcement for Parliament to occur before the train travels far enough to trigger the DDU/PIDS to attempt to re-calibrate.

Normally what should happen is us drivers are expected to disable the auto-announcements when stopping conditions are altered and begin making manual announcements, to avoid the confusion from the auto-announcements.

Hope that helps clear things up Smile
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
This is because:
a) Stopping announcements are made in order from a pre-programmed stopping pattern determined by the Train Describer (TD) number entered by the driver into the Driver's Display Unit (DDU) when he/she takes over the train; and
b) The trains use GPS signals assisted with dead reckoning to determine their location; and
c) When approaching Flinders Street from Richmond you are also heading in the general direction of Parliament.
The combination of these will cause an announcement for Parliament to occur before the train travels far enough to trigger the DDU/PIDS to attempt to re-calibrate.

Normally what should happen is us drivers are expected to disable the auto-announcements when stopping conditions are altered and begin making manual announcements, to avoid the confusion from the auto-announcements.

Hope that helps clear things up Smile
Xiphias
Thank you for the excellent and lucid explanation.  The driver did make a very clear announcement at Richmond (as did the station staff), but I guess did not do the "disable" bit.  My only remaining question is:  Richmond direct to Flinders Street is obviously a known stopping pattern, so could the driver have reset the TD number on becoming aware of the change, or is it locked in?
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Thank you for the excellent and lucid explanation.  The driver did make a very clear announcement at Richmond (as did the station staff), but I guess did not do the "disable" bit.  My only remaining question is:  Richmond direct to Flinders Street is obviously a known stopping pattern, so could the driver have reset the TD number on becoming aware of the change, or is it locked in?
Lad_Porter

The TDN will remain the same unless Metro are trying to cook the books regarding on time running figures.

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