MP plan to extend passenger services to Queencliff

 
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong

POLITICAL rivals Darren Cheeseman and Sarah Henderson are all steamed up in a row about Geelong region train services.
Ms Henderson again criticised the Corangamite MP yesterday for a rail vision he released last week, saying his idea was a "thought bubble" that would cost local tourism.
Although thin on detail and costings, Mr Cheeseman did produce a map to show where he thought new train lines should be installed to connect South Geelong station to Queenscliff, and Marshall station to North Torquay.
Less than a week earlier the State Government had confirmed it would examine plans for train services to Drysdale and Torquay.
Ms Henderson, the Liberal candidate for Corangamite, said she supported that study, but said Mr Cheeseman's idea was not a proper plan.
"The people of Corangamite have every right to be utterly sceptical. Darren Cheeseman's scheme is nothing more than a thought bubble," she said.



"There is no funding and no policy. This is not a strategy but a media release aimed at his re-election. I am a strong supporter of better rail and better public transport. Proper planning for rail links to Torquay and the Bellarine is already under way."
Mr Cheeseman said the State Government's plan did not go far enough, and said he would advocate a rail line that extended from Drysdale to Queenscliff with a stop at Marcus Hill/Ocean Grove.
But Ms Henderson said this plan would hurt the Queenscliff-Drysdale Bellarine Railway. "Had he bothered to do some basic homework, he would have discovered the volunteer operators of the tourist railway hold a 25-year lease with VicTrack over this section of the track," she said.
"There are upwards of 50,000 visitors who journey on the historic Queenscliff to Drysdale railway each year, including on the Blues Train. Is Mr Cheeseman proposing to scale back or even shut down this operation? Does he understand how important tourism is for our region? Once again, we see what a poor advocate Mr Cheeseman is for our community."
But Mr Cheeseman said there was plenty of support for the ideas he put forward. "I am sure the Blues Train will be excited to hear of plans to upgrade track and stations along the route and the potential to run the Blues Train from Geelong," he said.
"I have been overwhelmed with phone calls and emails in support of commuter rail links to our region. People see the benefits this would bring to their lives and for tourism."
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Link: http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2013/05/21/365473_news.html

Before I start on my rant, I do NOT speak for Bellarine Railway or the Geelong Steam Preservation Society (GSPS) in any way, shape or form.

I am just  tad concerned at Darren Cheesemans proposal to restore the broad gauge line to Queenscliff, and his obvious ignorance of the section of rail between Drysdale and Queenscliff, and the tourist railway that operates services between these 2 stations.
He has been a supporter of the railway in the past, even opening a building that we built in the last handful of years.

So he wants to restore the BG to Queenscliff. And his opinion of the railway, 'Oh, the Blues train will be happy to run from Geelong'. PFFFFT!
He seems to forget that the GSPS provides the train for the Blues Train (GSPS also operates regular public timetable, charters, and drivers experiences); it is GSPS rolling stock, and GSPS operational staff that operates the train. The Blues Train business merely provids the music, security, and bar staff.

Mr Cheeseman seems to forget that Drysdale  Queenscliff is a narrow gauge railway, and as a consequence, most, if not all, of the GSPS rolling stock is narrow gauge as well.

It seems he thnks the Blues train will benefit from the upgrade....how does he think the the Blues Train will operate with out-of-gauge locomotives and rolling stock?
And who does he think will pay for gauge converting rolling stock that can be gauge-converted, and purchasing of replacement BG rolling stock for those locos and carriages that can't be gauge converted? The GSPS certainly can't afford to gauge convert all of their locos and pasenger cars, and I doubt the government would fund  the job either.

Great idea, Mr Cheeseman, but ill thought out.
Arrogant, probably not, naive, definately.

Again, this is my point of view, and NOT that of the Bellarine Railway or the GSPS.

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  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Have been reading this with interest.  Also see this article from last week. http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-12533/ does this proposal have any merit?

--Jim
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
His idea is flawed and ill informed.

To me, this is a very good example why rail lines that have been booked out should be left intact, ready for a point in time where it may be used again.
Even if all the rails and track bed are replaced, the right of way is intact and not a bike path.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
I don't think most politicians would understand technicalities like gauge, plus the accreditation nightmare of running on the mainline. To him it's just an old train and all they need to do is upgrade the track. Obviously misinformed and ignorant of reality.

On the other hand, I do see a park and ride at Drysdale with the line rebuilt back to Geelong as an interesting option, even if it is pie in the sky stuff.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
His idea is flawed and ill informed.

To me, this is a very good example why rail lines that have been booked out should be left intact, ready for a point in time where it may be used again.
Even if all the rails and track bed are replaced, the right of way is intact and not a bike path.
QSB6.7

I believe the rail trail is along the rail reservation from Sth Geelong, or thereabouts, to Drysdale, and adjacent to the rail line from Drysdale to Queenscliff. So if any plans to resurect the rail line comes to fruition, the rail trail to Drysdale will have to be relocated elsewhere.

The govenment retains ownership of the line, the City of Greater Geelong (CoGG) managing the rail trail, and GSPS the rail line from Drysdale to Queenscliff.
And, interestingly, I have read on record somewhere that the CoGG has a preference for returning the entire rail reservation to rail use.
  PE Chief Train Controller

The reality is that the VicTrack (i.e. the government) can resume control over any of the land leased to tourist railways if they wish to reinstate public transport services at any time. The relevant clause in the lease says that after the specified date of such the lessee has 90 days to remove their property. Thus as unlikely as it is there is nothing stopping the government (from a land tenure point of view) from returning trains to Queenscliff, Healesville, Mornington etc....... if they so wished.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

What Mr. Cheesman may be thinking of is the extension of the narrow gauge Bellarine Peninsula Railway into South Geelong, not the extension of broad gauge outwards to Queenscliff..

Thus, the commuter service between Drysdale and South Geelong being provided by a commercial arm of the BPR, using modern rolling stock.  On the weekends, the heritage trains can then operate from South Geelong to Queenscliff and return.  Likewise, the Blues Train would be able to make the full distance trip.

It could well be a win, win all around which fits the policies of both political parties.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
What Mr. Cheesman may be thinking of is the extension of the narrow gauge Bellarine Peninsula Railway into South Geelong, not the extension of broad gauge outwards to Queenscliff..

Thus, the commuter service between Drysdale and South Geelong being provided by a commercial arm of the BPR, using modern rolling stock.  On the weekends, the heritage trains can then operate from South Geelong to Queenscliff and return.  Likewise, the Blues Train would be able to make the full distance trip.

It could well be a win, win all around which fits the policies of both political parties.
"DalyWaters"


Pigs will be flying before any of these Idea's become a reality


The motion of passengers changing trains at South Geelong on a public transport service just doesn't stack up when buses can go through to Geelong City and Geelong Station.


South Geelong Station lacks the space to build a narrow gauge terminus anyway.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
What Mr. Cheesman may be thinking of is the extension of the narrow gauge Bellarine Peninsula Railway into South Geelong, not the extension of broad gauge outwards to Queenscliff..

Thus, the commuter service between Drysdale and South Geelong being provided by a commercial arm of the BPR, using modern rolling stock.  On the weekends, the heritage trains can then operate from South Geelong to Queenscliff and return.  Likewise, the Blues Train would be able to make the full distance trip.

It could well be a win, win all around which fits the policies of both political parties.
DalyWaters

If we are talking commuter travel to Drysdale from Sth Geelong on narrow gauge, then there two chance of that happening, Buckleys, and Nunn (none).

Someone will have to cough up money for new narrow gauge passenger vehicles that are up to V/Line standard, and I can tell you that it would be very highly unlikely to be Bellarine Railway making that sort of purchase.
And V/line investing in narrow gauge rolling stock....as if.
Unless of course Mr Cheeseman would like to give a multi-million dollar donation to the railway for this express purpose Rolling Eyes
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Come on now guys; don't get serious about it.  Anyone of voting age should be quite accustomed to politicians talking through their hats.
They do it because they have to get themselves noticed.  The fact that they're talking absolute twaddle doesn't matter. It's similar to other under-achievers, who do things like wear a blue mullet, or buy a purple suit - people notice them.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Come on now guys; don't get serious about it.  Anyone of voting age should be quite accustomed to politicians talking through their hats.
They do it because they have to get themselves noticed.  The fact that they're talking absolute twaddle doesn't matter. It's similar to other under-achievers, who do things like wear a blue mullet, or buy a purple suit - people notice them.
Valvegear

Spot on, the member wants to get his head on telly or in the papers, and the opposing candidate wants to denounce or discredit the member. The rail theme has nothing to do with the exercise and should not be taken seriously.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
We'll see mainline trains going to Queenscliff when we see an international airport on Jupiter!

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