America's Cup Stations

 
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth
Does anyone have any photos of these stations in use? I think Hotham Valley ran shuttles to Fremantle Station during the America's Cup.

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  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Does anyone have any photos of these stations in use? I think Hotham Valley ran shuttles to Fremantle Station during the America's Cup.
Wool Stores
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  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
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  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
I remember riding in an old diesel railcar along the line from south beach to Fremantle during the cup, being run as a shuttle, AEC? ADG? Type, can never remember which is which. I used to call them as the old Orange DMUs.
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman
  8888 Chief Commissioner
  Jarroo Chief Commissioner

I have one of the Esplanade station signs, which all made their way to the skip bin at Salvage.
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth
Photos taken at Esplanade and South Beach, both February 1986.
8888
Brilliant!
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
That's it! I was thinking it was the old orange dmu's but it was the silver ones, unless both were used at some stage? I did ride along there a few times while it was on.

Seeing that NZ is decommissioning the dmu's we sold them, maybe we could buy some back and run a shuttle between Fremantle and say Spearwood, via the old America's cup stations and Coogee marina, until the electric is extended LOL
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth
That's it! I was thinking it was the old orange dmu's but it was the silver ones, unless both were used at some stage? I did ride along there a few times while it was on.

Seeing that NZ is decommissioning the dmu's we sold them, maybe we could buy some back and run a shuttle between Fremantle and say Spearwood, via the old America's cup stations and Coogee marina, until the electric is extended LOL
witzendoz
Haha, wishful thinking. Maybe RHWA could snag one for preservation?
  Jarroo Chief Commissioner

Haha, wishful thinking. Maybe RHWA could snag one for preservation?
Wool Stores

The Govt should look at several sets so a much needed service to byford can reinstated.
Maintaining the track from Armadale to Mundijong solely for three train movements a day, comes at a great cost to the Taxpayer, so why not try and utilise it some more.
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth
The Govt should look at several sets so a much needed service to byford can reinstated.
Maintaining the track from Armadale to Mundijong solely for three train movements a day, comes at a great cost to the Taxpayer, so why not try and utilise it some more.
Jarroo
Surely employing a 45+ year old diesel railcar (twice retired) to extend an electric suburban rail line one extra stop would be highly uneconomic?

Byford simply doesn't have the demand for a suburban link, hence why it was never electrified. However, Labor's Metronet plan proposed a future extension to Byford, with a possible further extension through to Pinjarra.
  fastrak44 Junior Train Controller

Location: 100 metres from what will be electrified railway in the next 5 years.
Surely employing a 45+ year old diesel railcar (twice retired) to extend an electric suburban rail line one extra stop would be highly uneconomic?

Byford simply doesn't have the demand for a suburban link, hence why it was never electrified. However, Labor's Metronet plan proposed a future extension to Byford, with a possible further extension through to Pinjarra.
Wool Stores

According to the ABS, Clarkson had a population in 2006 equal to what Byford had in the 2011 census and their extension was completed in 2004 so the whole population justification seems a little off.
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth
According to the ABS, Clarkson had a population in 2006 equal to what Byford had in the 2011 census and their extension was completed in 2004 so the whole population justification seems a little off.
fastrak44
Public transport demand and static population figures are two different things. Clarkson received a station because it was driving urban fringe greenfield development.

Ultimately, it's all about money. Land will sell for more money if it is in close proximity to a train station and the developers will therefore make bigger profits, which will in turn flow through to the government. Yes, Byford is growing but it's not a large greenfield development area.
  Jarroo Chief Commissioner

Woolstores - Byford obviously didn't have the population for a train service when the Armadale line was electrified and you are right in saying that's why it wasn't electrified at that time. But it does have the population now so to say it doesn't warrant a service is simply false.
Remember suburban diesel railcars did used to serve Byford.
The PTA were foolish selling all the ADL railcars. One could have traversed the Armadale line to provide a 2 or 3 hourly service for Byford.
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth
Woolstores - Byford obviously didn't have the population for a train service when the Armadale line was electrified and you are right in saying that's why it wasn't electrified at that time. But it does have the population now so to say it doesn't warrant a service is simply false.
Remember suburban diesel railcars did used to serve Byford.
The PTA were foolish selling all the ADL railcars. One could have traversed the Armadale line to provide a 2 or 3 hourly service for Byford.
Pipe dreams, Jarroo.

Regardless of population size or density, it's never going to happen without the railcars to support it. With the current fleet struggling with peak hour services (in addition to previously cancelled railcar orders), the next arrival of new railcars will be immediately be used to boost current services. With Barnett in power and a airport rail link on the cards, I can't see the Byford extension happening for a long time.

As with the ADL's, they are currently reaching the end of their operational life and are in the midst of being withdrawn in New Zealand. And as you say, the Armadale Line "obviously didn't have the population for a train service" at the time of electrification. So that seems pretty pointless holding onto an ageing railcar fleet in the hope that the service may one day become viable.

With that said, we're kind of getting away from the thread topic, aren't we?...
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth

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