S-set Scrapping has begun

 
  Highrise Assistant Commissioner

Well the S sets are not dead yet, not by a long shot.
Funny how they are getting cut up at Chullora, yet we over here at UGL Unipart Auburn are doing heavy overhauls.

By heavy im mean they are getting everything done, new body side fans, camshaft replaced, line switches replaced, pantograph replaced, over hauled bogies, new wheels, couplers buffer beams draft gear replaced, fluro tubes replaced, most of the light diffusers replaced, corrosion removed, half of the timber floor replaced, doors stripped and overhauled and painted, new door motors and door control gear, replacement of seats, mostly full interior repaint, all the brake gear replaced, master controller replaced, new drivers seats. Plus fixing any existing faults they may have , doing any outstanding Modifications such new guards door control buttons, and the wiper motors and the blades are replaced and most windows also.

Did the same situation happen with the single deck suburban cars, i.e. were they being scraped whilst some were getting overhauled?

Sets done to date are:
S139 3042 - 4105 - 4949 - 3030 HMC - Released last week
S75 3945 - 4094 - 4023 - 3968 FMC - Released this week
S51 3899 - 4107 - 4035 - 3765 FMC due out next week
S127 3001 - 4016 - 4167 - 3764 HMC due the week after next
S74 3071 - 4031 - 4138 - 3041 FMC due out 28th June

Also 10 sets have been agreed in the overhaul car plan for next year, but i dont have set or car numbers.

Regrards
244hseriesalco
244hseriesalco
I suspect the drivers seats will be bolt in? New wiper motors, electric? Here's hoping!

Sponsored advertisement

  scott4570 Chief Train Controller


Scott - Thanks for the info of S82 and 3872. Smile Do you have an exact date as to when 3872 was moved to Chullora and why is was moved to Chullora instead of being sent to Enfield?
sydnytrains

No, I don't have an exact date for 3872 moving to Chullora.
I sighted S41 with the changed consist on 18/2 (3872 out and 3016 in the set).

I can only assume, 3872 went to Chullora to fill the vacancy left by 4150, and this would once again make up to the original number of 32 cars which left Enfield No.5 Road on 13/2.
It maybe a requirement for the Scrapper (for Billing etc) to have a batch of cars (say 32) on which to work before another batch is commenced.


- Scott.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

No, I don't have an exact date for 3872 moving to Chullora.
I sighted S41 with the changed consist on 18/2 (3872 out and 3016 in the set).

I can only assume, 3872 went to Chullora to fill the vacancy left by 4150, and this would once again make up to the original number of 32 cars which left Enfield No.5 Road on 13/2.
It maybe a requirement for the Scrapper (for Billing etc) to have a batch of cars (say 32) on which to work before another batch is commenced.


- Scott.
scott4570

Correction above: 3050 replaced 3872, not 3016.

Apologies.

- Scott.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Well the S sets are not dead yet, not by a long shot.
Funny how they are getting cut up at Chullora, yet we over here at UGL Unipart Auburn are doing heavy overhauls.

By heavy im mean they are getting everything done, new body side fans, camshaft replaced, line switches replaced, pantograph replaced, over hauled bogies, new wheels, couplers buffer beams draft gear replaced, fluro tubes replaced, most of the light diffusers replaced, corrosion removed, half of the timber floor replaced, doors stripped and overhauled and painted, new door motors and door control gear, replacement of seats, mostly full interior repaint, all the brake gear replaced, master controller replaced, new drivers seats. Plus fixing any existing faults they may have , doing any outstanding Modifications such new guards door control buttons, and the wiper motors and the blades are replaced and most windows also.

Did the same situation happen with the single deck suburban cars, i.e. were they being scraped whilst some were getting overhauled?

Sets done to date are:
S139 3042 - 4105 - 4949 - 3030 HMC - Released last week
S75 3945 - 4094 - 4023 - 3968 FMC - Released this week
S51 3899 - 4107 - 4035 - 3765 FMC due out next week
S127 3001 - 4016 - 4167 - 3764 HMC due the week after next
S74 3071 - 4031 - 4138 - 3041 FMC due out 28th June

Also 10 sets have been agreed in the overhaul car plan for next year, but i dont have set or car numbers.

Regrards
244hseriesalco
244hseriesalco
During the late 1980s many of the single deck cars, especially the power cars, were examined to assess which cars were worth overhauling.  A lot received Beclawat windows and some refurbishment internally.  Not all vehicles passed the test.  So, at the same time as cars were being condemned, others were having a lot of work done on them, either at Eveleigh Carriage Workshops or Goninan in Newcastle.  There were several cars (at least 3 Standard 2-motor cars and 1 Tulloch 2-motor car) which were apparently scrapped at their inspection site without work bring done on them.

**Edited: Please don't put your post within the "Quote" field, as it confuses other users. Please place your reply a space below the end of quote.**
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

S set Car change, sighted April 27: 4951 from S119 now in the consist of S120.


S120 consist: 3882, 4951, 4024, 3953.
S119 consist to be confirmed: 3855, 4937, 4934, 3919.

- Scott.
  sydnytrains Chief Commissioner

Location: McDonalds Front counter serving customers
S set Car change, sighted April 27: 4951 from S119 now in the consist of S120.


S120 consist: 3882, 4951, 4024, 3953.
S119 consist to be confirmed: 3855, 4937, 4934, 3919.

- Scott.
scott4570

Thanks for the info on S120 and S119, AND the info of 3872 above. Smile

Just a general question, have any other S sets been withdrawn from service yet? And how many more carriages have been cut up at Chullora since the photo the last page?
  244hseriesalco Chief Train Controller

Thanks for the info on S120 and S119, AND the info of 3872 above. Smile

Just a general question, have any other S sets been withdrawn from service yet? And how many more carriages have been cut up at Chullora since the photo the last page?
sydnytrains

S88 has been withdrawn and is now at UGL Unipart auburn for stripping of parts. Will then be most likely loco hauled back to Chullora.

Plans I have seen suggest that 192 cars have been selected to be kept up until 2018/19. A number of new sets will be created at FMC to get the cars to be kept into sets for overhaul dates. Looks like about 30 - 40 cars per year for the next 4-5 years will be overhauled.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

S88 has been withdrawn and is now at UGL Unipart auburn for stripping of parts. Will then be most likely loco hauled back to Chullora.

Plans I have seen suggest that 192 cars have been selected to be kept up until 2018/19. A number of new sets will be created at FMC to get the cars to be kept into sets for overhaul dates. Looks like about 30 - 40 cars per year for the next 4-5 years will be overhauled.
244hseriesalco

A Cityrail Driver has reported that, as well as S88, the following two sets have now been condemned at Flemington:-
S60 consist 3963, 4011, 4121, 3068
S73 consist 3047, 4055, 4103, 3061

- Scott.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

This week, between Tuesday (19/3) and Friday (22/3), another 8 cars have taken up residency at Enfield on No.5 Road.
One car, from this eight, is just visible from the Fence Line: 3897, this car was recently running in the consist of set S59.
Someone positioned on the eastern side, with a "good" Lens, may be able to ascertain the numbers of the 16 cars on Road 5 (3832 south end and 3897 north end).
As at 1800 hours, Friday, 22/3/13, status at Enfield:-
Road 1 and Road 2: Empty (no cars)
Road 3: 24 cars
Road 4: 32 cars
Road 5: 16 cars (being filled once again)
-Scott.
scott4570


Between 18/4/13 and 6/5/13 another 16 S set cars have taken up residency at Enfield.

The cars may be the withdrawals mentioned in recent posts: S144, S60, S73 and S97 (4097 in the consist of S97 was mentioned).
The cars have been placed on Road 5.
From the western side the cars cannot be identified due to the cars on Road 4.
Once again, you need to be close-up on the eastern side to see the car numbers, unless you have a "good" Lens from a distance.


As at 1700 hours, Monday, 6/5/13, status at Enfield:-
Road 1 and Road 2: Empty (no cars)
Road 3: 24 cars (full)
Road 4: 32 cars (full)
Road 5: 32 cars (now full)


- Scott.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Between 18/4/13 and 6/5/13 another 16 S set cars have taken up residency at Enfield.

The cars may be the withdrawals mentioned in recent posts: S144, S60, S73 and S97 (4097 in the consist of S97 was mentioned).


- Scott.
scott4570


The car mentioned above 4097 in S97, should read 4039.


Apologies, still failing in my proof reading.

- Scott.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Between 18/4/13 and 6/5/13 another 16 S set cars have taken up residency at Enfield.

The cars may be the withdrawals mentioned in recent posts: S144, S60, S73 and S97 (4097 in the consist of S97 was mentioned).
The cars have been placed on Road 5.
From the western side the cars cannot be identified due to the cars on Road 4.
Once again, you need to be close-up on the eastern side to see the car numbers, unless you have a "good" Lens from a distance.


As at 1700 hours, Monday, 6/5/13, status at Enfield:-
Road 1 and Road 2: Empty (no cars)
Road 3: 24 cars (full)
Road 4: 32 cars (full)
Road 5: 32 cars (now full)


- Scott.
scott4570

Between 6/5/13 and 20/5/13 the following moves have taken place at Enfield:

Road 4: 32 cars (previously in residence) have vacated, and another 16 cars have taken up in their place on Road 4.
From the western side, two cars can be identified in the 16 car line up: 3875 (North end, was in set S70) and 3035 (South end, was in set S76).

Road 5 still has 32 cars, but due to Road 4 only half filled you can see the following cars on Road 5:-
From North end: Set S119: 3919, 4934, 4937, 3855, coupled to this is set S73: 3061, 4103, 4055, 3047.
Behind these two sets you can see another set with car 4121 (was in consist of S60), and another set with car 4933 (was in consist of S144).

As at 1700 hours, Monday, 20/5/13, status at Enfield:-
Road 1 and Road 2: Empty (no cars)
Road 3: 24 cars (full)
Road 4: 16 cars
Road 5: 32 cars (full)

- Scott.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Just musing... cutting up an S Set involves cutting of stainless steel. Apparently stainless is no longer manufactured in Australia anymore. So what happens to the scrap? Would there be any possibility of stripping out some of the bodies leaving windowless shells, and taking these offshore and sinking them for an artificial reef?? After a few years, great fishing, fish nursery, and what an interesting "wreck dive"....
"3l diesel"



I recall something like that with Amercia's old Subway Cars  --  the shell of the car carted out to the middle of the ocean, and then sunk.


- Scott.
  r_rogel Junior Train Controller

Maybe the Silver Carriages will be sold to private buyers as sheds/accommodation for overnighters just like the Red Rattlers did.
  Johnny_Walton Railcorp Crash Test Dummy No.1
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

S set Car change, sighted May 29: 3064 and 4130 from S72 now in the consist of S98.


S98 consist: 3064, 4130, 4932, 3939.
S72 consist to be confirmed: 3809, 4977, 4936, 3052.


- Scott.
  David10 Station Master

Has been reported in the media this week that upon delivery of all of the Waratah sets, that 95% of the fleet will be air-conditioned. Was reported a few months ago that because no extra carriages have been ordered for the South West extension that some S sets will still be required. So adding all the A, C, K and T set carriages comes to about 1,280, 5% of which equals 64.

So it looks like there will be about 8 x 8 car sets remaining. Assuming it is another decade before the K sets need replacement, some of these may reach the 50 year mark.

Have any specific carriages been nominated for preservation yet, recall it mentioned that C3805 had been earmarked?
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Has been reported in the media this week that upon delivery of all of the Waratah sets, that 95% of the fleet will be air-conditioned. Was reported a few months ago that because no extra carriages have been ordered for the South West extension that some S sets will still be required. So adding all the A, C, K and T set carriages comes to about 1,280, 5% of which equals 64.

So it looks like there will be about 8 x 8 car sets remaining. Assuming it is another decade before the K sets need replacement, some of these may reach the 50 year mark.

Have any specific carriages been nominated for preservation yet, recall it mentioned that C3805 had been earmarked?
David10

It has been mentioned earlier that about 192 S set cars would be required to run the Timetable after the last Waratah is delivered.
This is due to the plan to run more CityRail Services, as per a posting in the Waratah thread and the link to an article in SMH.

I agree, the NSW Government should have ordered more A sets in readiness for the K sets to retire and it should be somewhat of an on-going plan.


In respect to Preservation, the only other car mentioned, thus far, was Trailer Car 4150, saved from the Scrappers Line, for its significance with the Queen's visit.


- Scott.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Have any specific carriages been nominated for preservation yet, recall it mentioned that C3805 had been earmarked?
David10
I'm led to believe C3805 and a driver trailer car will be the "official" preservation cars, likely allocated to the fleet at Redfern. I'm sure SETS will look at securing their own car(s).
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
One would think, for contingency sake, Railcorp would preserve 4 cars to be taken care of at Redfern, so that it can be used as a full set in the future, 3001 for example?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
One would think, for contingency sake, Railcorp would preserve 4 cars to be taken care of at Redfern, so that it can be used as a full set in the future, 3001 for example?
s3_gunzel
Contingency? As in "network problems"? A four car train wouldn't do much except get in the way, especially when the crews are no longer qualified on it... We're not here to discuss the merits in preserving car this or that, that's a discussion for elsewhere. A manageable heritage fleet that can be looked after and used, without storing hundreds of spare cars "because we can" is going to be the best idea.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
I realise that, thanks for pointing that out.

"Contingency sake", as in there are existing 4 car red set(s) at Redfern, why not a 4 car S as well.

Believe me, for a change I thought through what I was posting *before* I posted it.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
"Contingency sake", as in there are existing 4 car red set(s) at Redfern, why not a 4 car S as well.
"s3_gunzel"
What kind of logic is this?

Believe me, for a change I thought through what I was posting *before* I posted it.
"s3_gunzel"
I beg to differ.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

S set Car change, sighted June 6: 3039 and 4061 from S116 now in the consist of S145.


S145 consist: 3039, 4061, 4032, 3941.
S116 consist to be confirmed: 3758, 4177, 4935, 3818.


- Scott.
  Silver S Set Junior Train Controller

Where is the exact position in Chullora that they are stored and crushed and are there any public photography spots?
Sorry if this is not supposed to be asked in this thread, but after all, I'm new.

Thanks

Silver S Set
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Where is the exact position in Chullora that they are stored and crushed and are there any public photography spots?
Sorry if this is not supposed to be asked in this thread, but after all, I'm new.

Thanks

Silver S Set
Silver S Set
From what I've seen in others photos, the compound appears to be between the workshop area and the work train sidings, so not publicly accessible, or photograph-able without entering the site.

Sponsored advertisement

Display from:   

Quick Reply

We've disabled Quick Reply for this thread as it was last updated more than six months ago.