An uncertain future - Seymour Railway Heritage Centre (SRHC)

 

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  NSWGR 3827 Deputy Commissioner

Location: South of the Border



I'll be patient, as it seems you're especially stupid.

"Sir Thomas Bent"




The only thing it puts into perspective is your lack of character and what kind of person you are.

"Sir Thomas Bent"


At least I don't make comments about someones character without knowing them and then hiding behind some online alias.
2 examples above.

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  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Oh gawd...It's RBP in a 3801 thread.

Guys, give it a rest. So far this thread has been running without any major flamewars, and I wouldn't mind it staying that way.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
A very instructive look at the SRHC Blog today. A lot of detail about repairs to T342 and T320 and a shot of the "company ute" at Portland. I wonder when that arrived, and what it cost.  

Then, plenty of photos of the Winery charter from SCS to Avenel, complete with a picture of Terry Hughes, Train and Operations Manager who is "retiring" after that trip.  Retiring, eh?  A letter that I, and others, saw, certainly wasn't about retirement.

Next, news about retention toilets. . .  not a word.
Work on heritage carriages - apart from wiring on the SOP Dining Car, nothing.

The next listed Heritage Tour is the New Years Eve Fireworks Express.  Only 9 months to go folks - a suitable period of gestation some may say.

SRHC has certainly lost its raison d'etre, and that is very sad.
  monday Chief Commissioner

So with all the suggestions of the potential predicament at El Zorro, does anyone have any inside running on how much SRHC might potentially be in the 'hole' for?

I recall some previous financial accounts on this thread showing SRHC were owed quite a bit of dosh - I wonder whether they ever received payment.

If everything does turn pear shaped in the future, then it probably is a very bad out come for all concerned - the worst of all worlds, seriously worked locomotives, but no $ ever received... Every body loses out.
  darcycammo Chief Train Controller

Location: cockatoo vic
So with all the suggestions of the potential predicament at El Zorro, does anyone have any inside running on how much SRHC might potentially be in the 'hole' for?

I recall some previous financial accounts on this thread showing SRHC were owed quite a bit of dosh - I wonder whether they ever received payment.

If everything does turn pear shaped in the future, then it probably is a very bad out come for all concerned - the worst of all worlds, seriously worked locomotives, but no $ ever received... Every body loses out.
monday
I'm sure they would be getting there money otherwise they would have taken back the loco's by now!!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'm sure they would be getting there money otherwise they would have taken back the loco's by now!!
"darcycammo"


Don't  bet on it.  Well run Hire companies do reclaim their equipment if the hirer fails to pay on time. But, well run Hire companies also don't have all their eggs in one basket; they have many and varied customers. SRHC, to my knowledge,  has one.
I don't know whether or not SRHC is owed flipping great wodges of cash but if it is, and the group takes the locos back, they may get nothing because they have just removed the customer's revenue-making equipment. So, hang in there and hope whilst the debt increases may be the present procedure.  I did note that the hire of VGR's T class is managed by SRHC, and that VGR hadn't been paid for some time, so there is certainly some smoke - possibly it indicates a bigger fire, but I have not heard any more.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
I'm sure they would be getting there money otherwise they would have taken back the loco's by now!!
darcycammo
Clearly you have no idea
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
If current reports are correct; then all of the SRHC's allocated, and owned locomotives are now off hire from El Zorro.

This doesn't usually happen for no reason, and with evidence that EZ is being wound up (see: http://cesium.railpage.org/f-t11372937-0-asc-s0.htm for further details), one can only come to the conclusion that something's most certainly wrong. I think that the VGR's president making a statement in his column of their newsletter that the VGR hasn't seen any money for 9 months is a big clue as to what is happening. As the SRHC are supposedly "managing" T333's commercial hire, one would think that they are perhaps liable for monies owed?

Forgetting all this for a second; has anyone checked the SRHC's blog lately?

The last entry was on the 17th of May, and it seems over the past month(s) that it's been "Spend, spend, spend" up there - new wheels, and re-conditioned traction motors for T382; B74, and T378's repairs, and an extension to the mechanical office, below 'B' Box for the so-called "depot supervisor". Surely there is enough room at the former V/Line offices in Oak Street for this purpose? Would have saved the SRHC a little bit of coin - something which it looks as though they'll need in the not-too-distant future to keep all their employees paid; the depot compliant, and the 'restoration' projects ticking along...

See for yourself: http://srhcblog.blogspot.com.au/
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Who knows - we might start seeing heritage trips again as an alternative source of funds!!!
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
There are some nice pics now on the SRHC blog of "Veteran" carriages dating from the 1880s.  Probably not operational any more, but interesting as museum pieces.  Some interior shots would have been good ....
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

The XYZ set; I personally think its a shame it lives at the SRHC. Seems a waste of history shoved up the back of a shed 364 days a year.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Who knows - we might start seeing heritage trips again as an alternative source of funds!!!
Ballast_Plough

Now that is a novel idea!!
I wonder if SRHC would like that suggestion in writing? Laughing

And they could recruit some fresh faced volunteers that they havent already lost through mis-management, and get them to crew the train Rolling Eyes
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The XYZ set; I personally think its a shame it lives at the SRHC. Seems a waste of history shoved up the back of a shed 364 days a year.
VBAndy
Hmmmmm, hook these up to Y112 and you would have a very 1880s consist! Yep, in my dreams....

But if anyone wanted to make a 19th period drama with authentic carriages etc, that could be a potential cash cow for SRHC.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The financial plot has thickened.

A NSW train leasing company has made an application in the NSW Supreme Court to wind up rail operator El Zorro Transport.
Australian Securities and Investment Commission documents show Consolidated Rail Leasing filed the petition in the Supreme Court of NSW last week. (Weekly Times, 28 May 2013 )
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
There's already a thread on El Zorro in the operators forum. This is for discussion of SRHC.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
My point is absolutely about SRHC.  

If you, Mr Moderator, would read a few entries previously, you would notice that El Zorro's debt to SRHC is particularly germane to the issue.

My comment, being as it is about financial concerns, stands as written.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

C501, T333, T342 & S303 all up at Seymour
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
My point is absolutely about SRHC.  

If you, Mr Moderator, would read a few entries previously, you would notice that El Zorro's debt to SRHC is particularly germane to the issue.

My comment, being as it is about financial concerns, stands as written.
Valvegear

I'm fully aware of the contents of this thread. Your post was about CRL making an application to have El Zorro wound up and as I've already told you, there is a thread about that.

If you want to discuss the potential impacts to SRHC of the de-hiring of locomoives or loss of hiring income, then go ahead (within reason).

This will be my last post on the matter.
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

Hmmmmm, hook these up to Y112 and you would have a very 1880s consist! Yep, in my dreams....

But if anyone wanted to make a 19th period drama with authentic carriages etc, that could be a potential cash cow for SRHC.
Carnot
Its possible in theory, the XYZ set was operational on the mainline roughly a decade ago, although I think it is no longer permitted on the mainline (screw coupling and fixed wheels an issue I think? Please correct me if wrong). If the will and want was there to move the XYZ set and the Y to one of the tourist railways its certainly doable!
The financial plot has thickened. A NSW train leasing company has made an application in the NSW Supreme Court to wind up rail operator El Zorro Transport. Australian Securities and Investment Commission documents show Consolidated Rail Leasing filed the petition in the Supreme Court of NSW last week. (Weekly Times, 28 May 2013 )
Valvegear
Did anyone else see in that article the reports that the Victorian Goldfields Railway hasn't been paid for over nine months for El Zorro's usage of T333 through the SRHC? Apparently the report is also in the VGR newsletter. The question has to be asked, why would the SRHC allow this to happen? Surely the loco should've been pulled from hire until the debt was paid much much earlier on?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If I may attempt to re-word what I earlier wrote . . .

SRHC may suffer serious financial problems if an operator, which I may not name in this thread, and which has been hiring SRHC's locomotives cannot pay debts due to being wound up.

It is reported that  this is a possibility.
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Did anyone else see in that article the reports that the Victorian Goldfields Railway hasn't been paid for over nine months for El Zorro's usage of T333 through the SRHC? Apparently the report is also in the VGR newsletter. The question has to be asked, why would the SRHC allow this to happen? Surely the loco should've been pulled from hire until the debt was paid much much earlier on?
VBAndy
Sometimes businesses (SRHC on this occasion) continue to trade with debtors (El Zorro) even though monies are owing / overdue. They (SRHC) may have come to some arrangement with El Zorro to trade on a day to day, week to week or month to month basis and slowly recoup outstanding dues. - This all speculation in this case but is what happens very regularly in the business world. The alternative is to pull out any equipment they (SRHC) have with El Zorro and effectively hobble them (El Zorro). If and when this happens the creditor (SRHC) will find that the debtor may go into liquidation and the creditor ends up worse off. (First person to get any money in a liquidation is the taxman - he never misses!)
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Interesting.

If tax is being collected, wouldn't this proclude the SRHC from being a not-for-profit charity?
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

Sometimes businesses (SRHC on this occasion) continue to trade with debtors (El Zorro) even though monies are owing / overdue. They (SRHC) may have come to some arrangement with El Zorro to trade on a day to day, week to week or month to month basis and slowly recoup outstanding dues. - This all speculation in this case but is what happens very regularly in the business world. The alternative is to pull out any equipment they (SRHC) have with El Zorro and effectively hobble them (El Zorro). If and when this happens the creditor (SRHC) will find that the debtor may go into liquidation and the creditor ends up worse off. (First person to get any money in a liquidation is the taxman - he never misses!)
Bullucked
I understand. I see the deal with T333 as SRHC acts in the best interests of the VGR, which clearly they haven't.
  ed31880 Train Controller

with the demise of El Zorro seemingly imminent, who else in the rail industry would realistically be interested in hiring SRHC's locomotives?
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
with the demise of El Zorro seemingly imminent, who else in the rail industry would realistically be interested in hiring SRHC's locomotives?
ed31880
QUBE would be my guess since they have already hired Streamrail loco's and X31 for the Deni service.

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