Bairnsdale Line News

 
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Well, considering they are going to install Axle Counters as a permanent solution, it seems your suggestion is largely unnecessary.
Xiphias
axle counting is old hat... utilising gps is ( should have been ) the way to go.

old fuddy thinkers...idiots in other words.   ( being p!ssed in the pockets by suppliers )

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  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
axle counting is old hat... utilising gps is ( should have been ) the way to go.
SPSD40T2

GPS has been around for quite a while now - the first GPS satellite was launched in 1978.  It was, and still is a US military system, although in the nineties it was officially designated as a dual-use system in 1996 by Bill Clinton.  

Until 2000, civilian users of GPS only received a degraded form of GPS signal under a system called Selective Availability which resulted in much less accuracy (~100s of metres from memory).  The stated intent of the US is not to re-implement SA again - but they can if they wish.  One can think of scenarios including use in terrorist attacks or other armed conflicts which could prompt the US to turn SA back on - at least temporarily.  Would you really want a level crossing system to suddenly think a train was much further away than it is?

This control of GPS by the US is why other countries and alliances have and are developing their own systems - eg the EU's Galileo, China's COMPASS, India's IRNSS and Russia's GLONASS.

[Other ways of enhancing GPS down to extreme accuracy even with SA do exist such as Differential GPS which existed long before SA was turned off.  However it is suddenly not quite so simple.]

Trivia:  SA was turned off during the first Gulf War for a time because the US military could not source sufficient military GPS models and instead had to purchase thousands of civilian units for their soldiers.

Richard.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
The EM100, IEV100 made a trip to Bairnsdale yesterday.


IEV100 at Stratford 28.5.13


Protected crossings were manually operated by crews along the line. A 40km/h speed was observed at passive crossings and a greater use of the horn was noted than is usual with this vehicle - at least compared to other occasions it has passed through Stratford.

I spoke with one of the workers manning a crossing and asked if they'd tried letting the EM100 activate the crossings itself. He told me that they had tested for that, and the crossings worked. For some reason, this came as no surprise to me at all.



IEV100 on the Avon River trestle.






Sale.


The EM100 returned to Sale and is being stabled overnight with the intention of returning to Bairnsdale again today (Wednesday 29.5.13)
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Shouldn't have the tail disc up when the headlight is on.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Shouldn't have the tail disc up when the headlight is on.
The Vinelander

One engine in steam!
  bartaxr8 Junior Train Controller

The tender is now up on the V/Line website for the installation of axle counters to 32 level crossings on the Bairnsdale line:

http://www.vline.com.au/about/news/tenders/488801722/Article.aspx
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
As announced by V/Line on June 20th, the "Installation of the system will take around 12 months."

http://www.vline.com.au/home/news/carousel/1487844748/Article.aspx

*sigh* Why don't they just rip up the tracks and be done with it?
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
As announced by V/Line on June 20th, the "Installation of the system will take around 12 months."

http://www.vline.com.au/home/news/carousel/1487844748/Article.aspx

*sigh* Why don't they just rip up the tracks and be done with it?
DirtyBallast
Let me guess. They'll need to stop the trains over those 12 months so that workers can install the axle counters in safety.

Why 12 months? Can't they just employ a second person to halve that time? Razz
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I'm thinking that when trains do return to Bairnsdale, they will be led by someone walking in front of the train waving a red flag...
  electric Chief Train Controller

Location: Ist mir egal
Let me guess. They'll need to stop the trains over those 12 months so that workers can install the axle counters in safety.

Why 12 months? Can't they just employ a second person to halve that time? Razz
B 67
Is anyone else suspicious that it's a "split the cost over two financial years" thing? It shouldn't take 12 months if they're willing to pay the workers for enough hours. It's closed track, they can work on it during cheaper daylight hours (and night ones if you want to be quick.)
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
What's patronage like over there? Is it even worth having a train out that far?

Given we are minus all Z cars, prolonging the suspension of a line makes sort of sense.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
What's patronage like over there? Is it even worth having a train out that far?

Given we are minus all Z cars, prolonging the suspension of a line makes sort of sense.
alstom_888m
Oh? So you're suggesting that trains are only for short-distance travel? Shocked

When it was running, there always seemed to be plenty of heads in the windows. More than can be said for the road-based replacements which I note are frequently empty. Even more would use it if the service ran when people wanted to use it. Many commuters prefer to drive to Traralgon and catch the frequent services there. I have done it myself. Means I can leave home much later and get back much earlier. Busiest times on the Princes Hwy between Traralgon and Bairnsdale are, of course, the times when no V/Line services run.
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Is anyone else suspicious that it's a "split the cost over two financial years" thing? It shouldn't take 12 months if they're willing to pay the workers for enough hours. It's closed track, they can work on it during cheaper daylight hours (and night ones if you want to be quick.)
electric
The whole debacle is ludicrous and dodgy.  There are shenaningans afoot aplenty me thinks.Confused
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
What's patronage like over there? Is it even worth having a train out that far?

Given we are minus all Z cars, prolonging the suspension of a line makes sort of sense.
alstom_888m

Prolonging the suspension is cold comfort for the people of East Gippsland and southern NSW - coaches feed into the Bairnsdale station from all over the place. It's a well patronized rail service that the locals are very passionate about.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
The section of the line that is now closed, it was not unherd of for the 3 or 4 car midday service out of bairnsdale to be chockers, at times to crush loading, by trarlgon. The start of where the functioning line is.
  MikeyJackson Locomotive Driver

Location: Footscray, Victoria, Australia
Prolonging the suspension is cold comfort for the people of East Gippsland and southern NSW - coaches feed into the Bairnsdale station from all over the place. It's a well patronized rail service that the locals are very passionate about.
gippslander

They should be proud of their efforts to have the service returned.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
The whole debacle is ludicrous and dodgy.  There are shenaningans afoot aplenty me thinks.Confused
SPSD40T2

Whenever there's doubt whether you've got a conspiracy or a cockup, go for the cockup every time.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Many commuters prefer to drive to Traralgon and catch the frequent services there. I have done it myself. Means I can leave home much later and get back much earlier.
B 67
That is an interesting point that some may not pick up on, in regard to true 'commuters' as opposed to 'passengers' on the Gippsland line, even if you were not alluding to that aspect, B 67.

Initially, it seems that it is totally implausible that there are work-bound commuters anywhere east of Traralgon. While that may generally be the rule for those heading to Melbourne, there does exist a number of people that travel from, say, Sale to the Latrobe Valley or the Warragul area for employment. One or two of the existing Up services from Traralgon in the morning, and Down services in the evening could and should originate and terminate at Sale instead.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The section of the line that is now closed, it was not unherd of for the 3 or 4 car midday service out of bairnsdale to be chockers, at times to crush loading, by trarlgon. The start of where the functioning line is.
Galron
I've been on a 5 car Bairnsdale on a weekend a  year ago, catching it at Morwell and its been standees in two of the 5 carriages.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Oh? So you're suggesting that trains are only for short-distance travel? Shocked
B 67
Not at all, I'm saying that while we have a shortage of trains, perhaps closing the line with the lowest patronage makes sense. If there is already a line out for another reason, then that would make even more sense.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
I don't believe Bairnsdale would have the lowest patronage.  Or are you referring to the section of only that line with the lowest?  I'm still not convinced; I've seen more passengers alight at Bairnsdale than are on some Gippsland trains departing from Melbourne.  I concur with those having much better local knowledge that there is significant local traffic on the route between the major Gippsland towns.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Are they at least killing two birds with one stone and repairing the track so VLocities can return to the Sunday Sale run when the service resumes?
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
That is an interesting point that some may not pick up on, in regard to true 'commuters' as opposed to 'passengers' on the Gippsland line, even if you were not alluding to that aspect, B 67.

Initially, it seems that it is totally implausible that there are work-bound commuters anywhere east of Traralgon. While that may generally be the rule for those heading to Melbourne, there does exist a number of people that travel from, say, Sale to the Latrobe Valley or the Warragul area for employment. One or two of the existing Up services from Traralgon in the morning, and Down services in the evening could and should originate and terminate at Sale instead.
DirtyBallast
I can't claim to know the numbers, but the amount of traffic on the Princes Hwy east of Sale is noticeably higher in the mornings and evenings. As I have a job that sees me travelling from Stratford to Sale before 6pm, I have to endure an almost constant stream of headlights in the opposite direction. With very little traffic going the same way as me. I think it's safe to say that many of those people are returning home from work in Sale and Latrobe Valley. There are also those travelling to TAFE in Sale and Bairnsdale. My wife did a course at Bairnsdale TAFE some years ago, and as she wasn't able to drive at the time, I had to take her there early in the morning. She was able to return by train. And one day a week, her course was in the afternoon only. So she was able to take the train to Bairnsdale, but I had to drive there to bring her home in the evenings. One thing that I noticed was that on EVERY trip, we passed an empty Dysons V/Line coach going to and from school runs at Sale.

Not at all, I'm saying that while we have a shortage of trains, perhaps closing the line with the lowest patronage makes sense. If there is already a line out for another reason, then that would make even more sense.
alstom_888m
Well, as others have already mentioned, that's not the likely problem here. The train usually had plenty of passengers as it went through Stratford in either direction. And that's the second-last station on the line.

Yes, there has been murmurings about the shortage of rollingstock being a possible contributing factor. Although like them saying that all 32 crossings on this line have not been operating reliably, I find it difficult to believe that ALL of the Z stock withdrawn, had faulty bogies at the same time.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Heard on ABC local news that trains are now likely to return in late October as V/Line have secured a grinder from Europe - that had already been booked by Metro for suburban works. Rolling Eyes

V/Line have an update here.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Heard on ABC local news that trains are now likely to return in late October as V/Line have secured a grinder from Europe - that had already been booked by Metro for suburban works. Rolling Eyes

V/Line have an update here.
B 67
What I'd like to know is why wasn't this prevented?

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