Newcastle port sale to fund road, rail, in NSW budget

 

News article: Newcastle port sale to fund road, rail, in NSW budget

[b]THE NSW government will sell the Port of Newcastle as it continues its privatisation push to fund big infrastructure projects such as the north west rail link and the Westconnex motorway.

  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner



THE NSW government will sell the Port of Newcastle as it continues its privatisation push to fund big infrastructure projects such as the north west rail link and the Westconnex motorway.



The long-term lease of the port, the largest coal terminal in the world, is expected to raise more than $700 million.



Encouraged by the $4.3 billion it received for the sale of Port Botany and Port Kembla, it will sell the port but return about half the proceeds for urban renewal in Newcastle, which includes removing the rail line on Newcastle's waterfront and replacing it with light rail.
Newcastle port sale to fund road, rail, in NSW budget


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I believe that light rail is being used as a false sweetener. And for one thing, where is a tram depot meant to be. Also I can't say my source, but they believe they can't find anything in the budget papers about selling off Port of Newcastle to cut the heavy rail line.

A better solution DIRECT trains, or at least slow the trains down from Wickham to Newcastle, and have tram-trains SHARING the same track.

We were told at a meeting on 20th Feb, that light rail is NOT "viable" for Newcastle, as it lacks the population, and that buses would be better, so what has changed to make light rail "viable"?

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
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I believe that light rail is being used as a false sweetener. And for one thing, where is a tram depot meant to be. Also I can't say my source, but they believe they can't find anything in the budget papers about selling off Port of Newcastle to cut the heavy rail line.

A better solution DIRECT trains, or at least slow the trains down from Wickham to Newcastle, and have tram-trains SHARING the same track.

We were told at a meeting on 20th Feb, that light rail is NOT "viable" for Newcastle, as it lacks the population, and that buses would be better, so what has changed to make light rail "viable"?
Newcastle Express
Tram Depot, really a non issue, you can place that anywhere and minor cost to project. The smaller the fleet the less space you need.

Direct trains I won't argue with, seems to save alot of money to achieve similar, or at very least cut the line to a new station near current Civic.

Viability of LR, perhaps they have run the numbers are determined that the frequency of service they intend to run is such that LR is viable and a sweatener for closing the HR line as selling the port will raise a few pennies. If the LR uses some of the tracks for part of its route, it does pull back some cost of roll out.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Here is an idea: Train that operates like a tram through the city (Sorry, that's the only way I can show the video address):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDB8T_9hUA
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Here is an idea: Train that operates like a tram through the city (Sorry, that's the only way I can show the video address):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDB8T_9hUA
Newcastle Express
Try: this
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Bold italic part: That's what people were told at a meeting, about light rail & buses. That is the meeting, that we were told NOT to speak about the rail line, and that microphones were turned off, if it was brought up.

http://saveourrail.org.au/?p=644
Media Release 18/06/2013 – Flog the port to flog the rail line!
18 Jun 2013

What parallel universe do we live in?

The O’Farrell Government is showing desperation with plans to sell off the Port of Newcastle in order to fund the destruction of the city’s major transport link, the heavy rail line direct to Newcastle Station and to the harbour.

This is like selling off the family silver – allowing the major asset of the city, its magnificent port, the envy of other cities, to be flogged off. Shame Mr O’Farrell and shame Mr Owen! Newcastle should unite to stop this madness.

The rail link direct to the heart of the city is also an asset the envy of other cities. This is a major intercity connection – linking Newcastle with Sydney, Maitland, Lake Macquarie and the Central Coast and with the potential for further extensions to other cities – Taree and Tamworth.

It cannot be “replaced” with light rail. These are two different commodities. It is like saying you can throw away the family car and replace it with a dinky tricycle. Capacity and capability are at variance and an experiment in trying to “replace” one with the other will be catastrophic for Newcastle.

Overseas experience has proved that city’s prosper with rail and cities where it has been removed have declined.  Auckland is a classic example, later paying huge amounts to have the rail line restored. Perth considered removing its major heavy rail, changed direction and now has a system that is used as a model, with worldwide acclaim. Perth is not divided by the rail, which has multiple crossings, but is served well with an efficient, integrated system of transport. Melbourne and Adelaide have followed suit.

Newcastle will be the loser in two directions. It will be the opposite of “revitalisation” – many jobs will be lost and any revival of this great city jeopardised. Newcastle suffered following closure of BHP, the relocation of the Royal Hospital, the growth of satellite shopping centres and the effects of the earthquake, but it has resilience and is now entering a phase of re-growth and prosperity, which will be reversed with this double whammy. The loss of its port and rail in one hit will be like a bomb has hit Newcastle.

Those promoting the flogging of the port and closing the Newcastle Rail Line do not have the best interests of the city at heart. They have only a quick profit motive in expanding their own development opportunity.

Does this mean the Newcastle Urban Renewal Strategy (NURS) is dead?  It depended on buses for flexibility we were told.  This proposed light rail will be on the track where rail already exists. What a waste! If the money is available for light rail it should run somewhere that doesn’t already have rail, e.g. along the coast. That would be something – a rail line all the way along the coast from Dudley to Newcastle Beach and on to Mayfield.  Besides, the previous statement was that light rail was not “viable” in Newcastle, because there wasn’t sufficient population.  How has it suddenly become viable and where are all the extra people?

Save Our Rail supports the revitalisation of Newcastle and believes that the projects in the NURS are all able to proceed with the rail line intact and with benefit from it.  There is no justification in destroying an existing rail line to install a different train on the same tracks and cause distress and hardship in getting from one to the other, especially for those with disability.

Save Our Port! Save Our Rail! Save Our City! Don’t let them sell off Newcastle
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Try: this
djf01

Issue; might work if you replace the Hunter services stock with Tram train, making those DMU's redundant, ie waste!

Sydney Sparks cannot run into the CBD.

I don't think this is a suitable arrangement for Tram-Train and would be extremely costly in doing so. I believe there is some scope to look at  the placement of the current stations. Are they in right spot, is more or less needed? Do we need the line between Civic and Newcastle or at leats maybe a few hundred metres past Civic and Newcastle, but that's about it.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Maitland rail commuters are outraged at the state government’s announcement to sell a 99-year lease for the Port of Newcastle.
http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/1581815/poll-rail-out-and-rail-in/?cs=171

Maitland rail commuters are outraged at the state government’s announcement to sell a 99-year lease for the Port of Newcastle.

Announced in yesterday’s budget, the sweetener was that $340 million would be used to redevelop the CBD in the form of light rail between Wickham and Newcastle.

This was in addition to the $120 million already allocated to revitalise Newcastle CBD.

Treasurer Mike Baird said the lease would allow the government to “turbo-charge” the project’s priority and make Newcastle a modern city.

He said $10 million would be allocated to look at the potential for a light rail network that linked the CBD with Newcastle’s suburbs and beaches as well as the broader Hunter region.

Newcastle apprentices Reece Burgoyne, Jordan Evans and Andrew Webb use the Maitland-Newcastle rail line to travel to the Hunter Trade College at Telarah as well as for recreation and could not understand the government’s reasoning.

“It’s a stupid idea, I’m confused how they think this is a good idea,” Mr Burgoyne said.

“There’s no point to what they are going to do, leasing the Port of Newcastle to pay for it is going to reduce the state’s revenue and we’re going to end up paying for it.

The money will be facilitated through the Hunter Infrastructure and Investment Fund and Mr Baird promised any left-over money would stay in the Hunter.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Sydney Sparks cannot run into the CBD.
RTT_Rules
No ?



Perfect for Hunter Street mall Smile.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

From the Maitland Mercury article above
[table][color=#000000][size=1][font=Arial, sans-serif][tr][th][size=2]Do you support the plan to sell the Port of Newcastle and use the money to fund the replacement of heavy rail with light rail in the CBD?[/size][/th][/tr][tr][th][size=2] [/size][/th][th][size=2]Response
Percent[/size][/th][/tr][tr][td][b]Yes[/b][/td][td][right][left][img]https://www.surveymonkey.com/i/t.gif[/img][/left]
[/right][/td][td][right]31.2%[/right][/td][/tr][tr][td][b][b]No[/b][/b][/td][td][right][left][img]https://www.surveymonkey.com/i/t.gif[/img][/left]
[/right][/td][td][right][b]68.8%[/b][/right][/td][/tr][/font][/size][/color][/table]
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Could this sale be driven by the anticipated drop in coal exports over the next few years?  It was announced here (i think) 50% of all coal exports through the port of newcastle were being sold at a loss. This would mean coal companies might need to negotiate port prices down to stay viable.

This would have an affect on the revenue stream of the port and also the financials of the port.  This might place pressure on the viability of port operations if the changes are significant.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

The poll results for the above poll in the Maitland Mercury at the moment are 29.2% YES, No 70.8%
Percent
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm inclined to agree that the government should let the private sector run the port - it runs every other part of the supply chain.

I disagree with the money being used on light rail though - that money should be better spent working around the existing rail line, and turning Newcastle into a transport hub again by improving services both to/from Sydney and to/from the North-West.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I disagree with the money being used on light rail though - that money should be better spent working around the existing rail line, and turning Newcastle into a transport hub again by improving services both to/from Sydney and to/from the North-West.
Raichase
EG: Hunter & Newcastle to Dubbo you need to go toward Sydney first, before changing to an XPT. Countrylink says  you need to arrive at the station no later than 30 (or 60) minutes before due departure. Allowing for this that means the last train available train to have enough time to change to the Dubbo XPT leaves Newcastle at 2:32 - am. That's a waste of about 4 and half hours including the waiting time to change to the Dubbo XPT.
And for Maitland passengers, for Dubbo they need to leave on the 1:15 am train to change at Hamilton (over a 40 minute wait) to change to the same trains. (almost 6 hours just to get to the Dubbo XPT)

Have a direct Xplorer service between Newcastle & Dubbo via Ulan, and you can see that Newcastle & Hunter passengers save between roughly 4 & half to six hours on a trip.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
I'm inclined to agree that the government should let the private sector run the port - it runs every other part of the supply chain.

I disagree with the money being used on light rail though - that money should be better spent working around the existing rail line, and turning Newcastle into a transport hub again by improving services both to/from Sydney and to/from the North-West.
"Raichase"
Oh God, THIS.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
A quick Google search reveals a service for just what you are after. It even runs 3 days a week.

http://www.jayride.com.au/ride/6760/newcastle+to+dubbo, for $59 seat. A bargain.

You're welcome!

What is interesting is that you can also do a search on CountryLink's website, and get fare from Maitland to Dubbo via Strathfield for $70 approx 9hr train ride or $59 for a 5hr bus ride. Hmm, tough choice!
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
EG: Hunter & Newcastle to Dubbo you need to go toward Sydney first, before changing to an XPT. Countrylink says  you need to arrive at the station no later than 30 (or 60) minutes before due departure. Allowing for this that means the last train available train to have enough time to change to the Dubbo XPT leaves Newcastle at 2:32 - am. That's a waste of about 4 and half hours including the waiting time to change to the Dubbo XPT.
And for Maitland passengers, for Dubbo they need to leave on the 1:15 am train to change at Hamilton (over a 40 minute wait) to change to the same trains. (almost 6 hours just to get to the Dubbo XPT)
Newcastle Express
More direct services on different modes and unrealistic expectations of direct rail services aside, those times are incorrect.  The southbound Casino XPT allows transfers at Strathfield to the Dubbo XPT.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
No ?



Perfect for Hunter Street mall Smile.
djf01
What your picture shows is same as happens in Rocky and Bundy. I have posted phot below along with a train/car interaction on Dension Street in Rocky. hence why tomorrow if possible both teh govt and most of the train drivers would like to see the NCL removed from Dension street and Bundy to a lessor degree, however cost prevents immediate action.

Both the photo above in USA and Australian cases of street running operate under the grandfather clause and neither would eb built like new again. Rocky and your Newcastle proposed street running are similar being near the CBD centre where the Friday and Saturday night pi$$ heads play or would play chicken with trains.

Do I believe it should be an option yes, but in reality it doesn't work. Rocky has about 20 trains a day max. Newcastle would have that and more from the Hunter Railcars alone.
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  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

THIS BILL BEING DEBATED IN UPPER HOUSE NOW, if it should be passed or not.

ALP - against;
Greens against;
Liberals - For it, of course!
Christian Democratic Party - ?
Shooters & Fishers - ?

Edit 20:35: Oh let John Kaye speak Duncan Gay.

Debate adjourned until next sitting day
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Directly related: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nile-bill-to-ignite-debate-over-abortion-20130629-2p3y1.html

"Christians" (term used very loosely) should not be acting like that. ie: We (the CDP) DEMAND this in return for THIS or WE TAKE our support away. Sounds similar to blackmail.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

(I keep loosing the quote option after I edit or correct the post)

Budget Estimate (Note the wording very carefully)

No CURRENT plans to sell the rail corridor, not that their are no plans not to sell the rail corridor.

See: https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/parlment/committee.nsf/0/c9c62a96d541b322ca257bcc0081c82b/$FILE/Transcript%20-%20Uncorrected%20proof%20-%20Transport.pdf (Naming a  link doesn't work - as usual!)


Dr MEHREEN FARUQI: Minister, do you have any plans for selling the Wickham to Newcastle
corridor?

Ms GLADYS BEREJIKLIAN: No current plans, no.

Dr MEHREEN FARUQI: That is good to know. Thank you.

The Hon. PENNY SHARPE: "No current plans", that is Duncan's favourite

The Hon. MICK VEITCH: Current. Duncan Gay did that very well.

Mr SCOT MacDONALD: So answer the question.

Ms GLADYS BEREJIKLIAN: He is an old hand.
The Hon. PENNY SHARPE: No current plans to sell the Newcastle port.

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