How do people expect them to package horns ?

Do you want them put into an envelope so small you couldnt even attach a post stamp.

They seem to me to be the standard blister pack they have used for most spare parts,makes perfect sense to me,others must struggle with the concept of keeping costs down by using standard pakaging where possible.

How do people expect them to package horns ?

Do you want them put into an envelope so small you couldnt even attach a post stamp.

They seem to me to be the standard blister pack they have used for most spare parts,makes perfect sense to me,others must struggle with the concept of keeping costs down by using standard pakaging where possible.

I am sincerely sorry that I did not place a smiley face at the end of my comment.

It was a joke Joyce ....

ILM sells HO scale brass horns that are able to be readily posted in a packet that is 1/4 of the size.

Anyone notice that the Southern Aurora sets have been published/announced......
10 car setss...niiicccceeeeeee!!!!
Plus add on 4 car set to make the full consist!!!!

Wonder if the Spirit cars might follow!?

blog too : http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/Auscision%20Models%20Blog.htm
and products page : http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/Southern%20Aurora.htm which includes the
XPT Demo Train, Mail Van Single Car

The XPT demo car is interesting and certainly different. Handy way to split an XPT set between two people?

Good to see the smaller 2 and 4 packs, too. I know I wouldn't have the $'s for a 'full' 10-car set, but a 2 or 4 car set would be good to just have a shorter train running around.

Wolfpac
PS: I like the inclusion of the photo at Sunshine, plenty of nostalgia there, too!

So what are the odds for CF4412 getting across the line?

$1.01...

Wolfpac

Ask Tom Waterhouse?

Letter from Auscision today, my 280HP Walker RM being despatched from factory at month end.  Auscision sending it to me mid July.  I guess yours will be on the same schedule.  

Operation Phoenix can now resume on the Costerfield line, now where is that R class?

Just noticed that Auscision use the un-Victorian Rail Car rather than Rail Motor.

Mark

Letter from Auscision today, my 280HP Walker RM being despatched from factory at month end.  Auscision sending it to me mid July.  I guess yours will be on the same schedule.  

Operation Phoenix can now resume on the Costerfield line, now where is that R class?

Just noticed that Auscision use the un-Victorian Rail Car rather than Rail Motor.

Mark

Looking forward to the Walker joining the DERM and (one day to be assembled) DRC on my layout... Just need some SEM cars to complete the Branchline Passenger roster.

Steve

Looking forward to the Walker joining the DERM and (one day to be assembled) DRC on my layout... Just need some SEM cars to complete the Branchline Passenger roster.

Steve

Weren't 280s used primarily on main lines?  I hear they ran to Mansfield but smaller 102s and 153s did the minor lines.

Mark

Weren't 280s used primarily on main lines?  I hear they ran to Mansfield but smaller 102s and 153s did the minor lines.

Mark

Oh dear, I’ll try to keep this brief.



The 280s ran many different services over their 30 years, particularly in the 1950s when new such as Echuca - Deniliquin, Melbourne - Wangaratta and Ballarat - Woomelang, the latter two lasting into the mid 1960s.



However from their introduction in 1950 through to the 1970s regular 280s runs were;



Melbourne - Daylesford.

Melbourne - Mansfield.

Melbourne - Wonthaggi.

Melbourne - Leongatha.

Melbourne - Geelong.

Melbourne - Bacchus Marsh.

Frankston - Stony Point.

Ararat - Portland.

Ballarat - Geelong.

Ballarat - Donald (cut back from Woomelang. The up service ran through to Melbourne).



In the mid 1970s until their withdrawal in 1980 they ran mainly commuter services to Bacchus Marsh, Sunbury, Seymour and Kyneton with the occasional run to Leongatha when a DRC failed (which was often). However by this time there was only a handful of 280s still in service so either a pass was substituted or a 153 and trailer.


To the referral as railcars, technically this is correct as they were built by the Walker Railcar Company. Also post 1945 all such vehicles were referred to as railcars (Walkers, Buds, Bluebirds, DRCs etc....). However as the VR had all the 1920s/30s vehicles road numbers classified as RM they kept this when the new Walkers came into service.

Oh dear, I’ll try to keep this brief.



The 280s ran many different services over their 30 years, particularly in the 1950s when new such as Echuca - Deniliquin, Melbourne - Wangaratta and Ballarat - Woomelang, the latter two lasting into the mid 1960s.



However from their introduction in 1950 through to the 1970s regular 280s runs were;



Melbourne - Daylesford.

Melbourne - Mansfield.

Melbourne - Wonthaggi.

Melbourne - Leongatha.

Melbourne - Geelong.

Melbourne - Bacchus Marsh.

Frankston - Stony Point.

Ararat - Portland.

Ballarat - Geelong.

Ballarat - Donald (cut back from Woomelang. The up service ran through to Melbourne).



In the mid 1970s until their withdrawal in 1980 they ran mainly commuter services to Bacchus Marsh, Sunbury, Seymour and Kyneton with the occasional run to Leongatha when a DRC failed (which was often). However by this time there was only a handful of 280s still in service so either a pass was substituted or a 153 and trailer.


To the referral as railcars, technically this is correct as they were built by the Walker Railcar Company. Also post 1945 all such vehicles were referred to as railcars (Walkers, Buds, Bluebirds, DRCs etc....). However as the VR had all the 1920s/30s vehicles road numbers classified as RM they kept this when the new Walkers came into service.

Daylesford, Mansflield and Stony Point are branches but the rest sound like main lines to me.

Bluebirds and Red Hens in official circles were referred to as Departmental Rail Motors, or DPM's all employee railway timetables referred to them as such. The term Rail Car was a rail enthusiasts and the great unwashed way of describing them.

Conveniently, the branch line I am basing my layout on (Not sure I want to commit to a 'to the letter' model of said line) is Mansfield, so a 280 will fit right in.

Besides I reckon the short ones (102s and 153s) are ugly looking things.

Steve

Anyone notice that the Southern Aurora sets have been published/announced......
10 car setss...niiicccceeeeeee!!!!
Plus add on 4 car set to make the full consist!!!!

Wonder if the Spirit cars might follow!?

Would they feature interior, or interior lighting?

Would they feature interior, or interior lighting?

No doubt about it.

Would they feature interior, or interior lighting?

I've never seen interior lighting that looked even remotely realistic.

Oh dear, I’ll try to keep this brief.
......
To the referral as railcars, technically this is correct as they were built by the Walker Railcar Company. Also post 1945 all such vehicles were referred to as railcars (Walkers, Buds, Bluebirds, DRCs etc....). However as the VR had all the 1920s/30s vehicles road numbers classified as RM they kept this when the new Walkers came into service.

PE,

I assume you are referring to the VR using the term "railcar" after 1945, what's the source of your information?

My 1953 VR General Appendix refers to "Rail Motor" frequently but I cannot find any reference to "Rail Car".  There are specific references to "Diesel (Walker) Rail Motor Trains", Walkers were the only source of diesel powered rail motors on the VR at the time (other than the first few DERM conversions).

Mark

I've never seen interior lighting that looked even remotely realistic.

I think the lighting in the Trainbuilder cars looks very realistic.

PE,

I assume you are referring to the VR using the term "railcar" after 1945, what's the source of your information?

My 1953 VR General Appendix refers to "Rail Motor" frequently but I cannot find any reference to "Rail Car".  There are specific references to "Diesel (Walker) Rail Motor Trains", Walkers were the only source of diesel powered rail motors on the VR at the time (other than the first few DERM conversions).

Mark

Ok, firstly to the railcar issue. In the 1965 Northern and Midland Districts WTT, pages 30 and 31 being the Deniliquin-Echuca-Bendigo Passenger Service  show the trains coming from Cohuna, Deniliquin and Echuca as Rail Motor (or Rail Motor & Trailer), these all being DERMS, while the service from Balranald is shown as a Diesel Rail Car, this being usually a 102hp Walker. Also the Daylesford service is always shown as 280 H.P. DRC.



However the genesis for the change is shown in my 1947 Northern and Midland Districts WTT which has the introduction of very first Walker on the Wallan - Heathcote service as per WTT 46/48 with hand annotations which has Rail Mtr (AEC Diesel) with AEC with a line through it as does Mtr and Car written above giving Rail Car Diesel.



This then brings us to the second point; the Walkers were not the only diesel powered vehicles at that time. In the mid 1930s AECs 1, 2.9,12 and 15RM were re engine with 4LW Gardners, whilst Double Ended Rail Motor 51RM was fitted with a 6LW in 1937 and then 52RM was also similarly converted in 1939. Thus at the time of the introduction of the Walkers there were 7 diesel powered railmotors in Victoria and had been for over a decade.

As this is getting a bit off topic if you would like any further info please PM me.

Ok, firstly to the railcar issue. In the 1965 Northern and Midland Districts WTT, pages 30 and 31 being the Deniliquin-Echuca-Bendigo Passenger Service  show the trains coming from Cohuna, Deniliquin and Echuca as Rail Motor (or Rail Motor & Trailer), these all being DERMS, while the service from Balranald is shown as a Diesel Rail Car, this being usually a 102hp Walker. Also the Daylesford service is always shown as 280 H.P. DRC.

However the genesis for the change is shown in my 1947 Northern and Midland Districts WTT which has the introduction of very first Walker on the Wallan - Heathcote service as per WTT 46/48 with hand annotations which has Rail Mtr (AEC Diesel) with AEC with a line through it as does Mtr and Car written above giving Rail Car Diesel.
.............

As this is getting a bit off topic if you would like any further info please PM me.

Clearly it's not as clear as I thought.  By 1965 Diesel Rail Car has made it into print and "Car" must have been in some use in 1947 to have been added by hand to the WTT but the 1953 GA has "Motor" only and until 1971 "RM" is painted on all units.  I will stick with Rail Motor but will accept Rail Car from others.  Now what about "Brake Van" or "Guards Van" - maybe another thread, or even Forum.

Mark

No trouble in NSW because Rail Motors actually had Rail Motor written on them.  Never heard anyone refer to a tin hare as a rail car.

Best regards,
John

No trouble in NSW because Rail Motors actually had Rail Motor written on them.  Never heard anyone refer to a tin hare as a rail car.

Best regards,
John

There were rail cars, but they were cars that were able to be used on both road & rail.

Clearly it's not as clear as I thought.  By 1965 Diesel Rail Car has made it into print and "Car" must have been in some use in 1947 to have been added by hand to the WTT but the 1953 GA has "Motor" only and until 1971 "RM" is painted on all units.  I will stick with Rail Motor but will accept Rail Car from others.  Now what about "Brake Van" or "Guards Van" - maybe another thread, or even Forum.

Mark

Mark

I think the primary difference with the Van topic is simply, a brake van is just that, it was used as a braking vehicle on non air trains, in some instances they had air brake equipment but used against the engine & at the end of the train, the one on the engine had the air connected & no one in it, so it was solely for braking purposes, the one on the end without air had a guard whose job it was to apply the hand brake at designated locations to assist the train in braking on down grades or at signals to hold the train stationary, also part of the whistle codes in old days.

Guards van were reffered to as being the last manned vehicle on a train that had operational air brakes throughout the train, the guard was required to observe both sides of the train in transit & if he noticed any problems he would open the air drain cock to bring the train to a stand.

They are the primary differences, at least the polite ones.

Mark

I think the primary difference with the Van topic is simply, a brake van is just that, it was used as a braking vehicle on non air trains, in some instances they had air brake equipment but used against the engine & at the end of the train, the one on the engine had the air connected & no one in it, so it was solely for braking purposes, the one on the end without air had a guard whose job it was to apply the hand brake at designated locations to assist the train in braking on down grades or at signals to hold the train stationary, also part of the whistle codes in old days.

Guards van were reffered to as being the last manned vehicle on a train that had operational air brakes throughout the train, the guard was required to observe both sides of the train in transit & if he noticed any problems he would open the air drain cock to bring the train to a stand.

They are the primary differences, at least the polite ones.

My non-query was clearly related to VR - do you have any VR documents you can refer to?  The 1953 GA refers to "Brake Vans" but I am sure various employees had their own nicknames.

Mark