I think the Carlingford service could be extended from the Clyde end. Carlingford line trains terminate (at Clyde) at the same side of the railways that the Olympic Park line branches off (at Lidcombe) so it's easily achievable. Both services are brief trips and by combining both services into one, it kills two birds with one stone.
People who travel westbound have to usually board a train to Olympic Park from Lidcombe. Or they have to catch a train to Clyde if they want to travel up the Carlingford branch.
So by fusing the services, the customer has the option of boarding a train to Olympic Park from Clyde (for those that travel eastbound) or by boarding a train from Lidcombe to go to Carlingford.
It's a shame the Parramatta-Epping link has been postponed. It could have bought a lot more patronage to Carlingford station.
My posts are opinions. That is what forums are.
All this hostility because I had an opinion that a few footbridges could be removed around a few of Sydney stations
I sympathise with Dave. I'll try to be nice, but seriously, how on earth do you propose linking the Carlingford and Olympic Park lines? I'm assuming by your "same side of the railways" statement that you propose a direct line between Clyde and Lidcombe.
If you have EVER travelled between Clyde and Lidcombe, you'll have noticed that the alignment does not allow for another track to the left of the Up Main.
- At Clyde, there's a rather large (and still operational) yard right after the station.
- Auburn approach on the country end is constrained by the signal box on one side, and the Maintrain entry on the other, plus the Crescent St overpass and Rawson St to the left.
- Auburn station is at a higher level than Rawson St; you'd have to bulldoze all of Rawson St to even put an extra track there (and if you've driven on Rawson St, you'll know how stupid that idea is).
- Any track would then have to plough through the community park, and cut off the station entry and pedestrian tunnel between both sides of Auburn.
- Post-Auburn, you would have to bulldoze all the commuter/resident parking spaces past the local Mosque, and then possibly encroach onto the access points for the very popular Sports Centre further down near Silverwater Road.
- At Lidcombe, the alignment is tight and grade-separated; you would have to build another bridge over Silverwater Rd and then bulldoze every building on that side.
- At Lidcombe station, you would also have to cut off Church St - in other words, cutting access to Dooleys, the local businesses, the bus stops, the fire station, and the train station itself.
Now, if you wanted to use existing infrastructure, there would be all sorts of issues re: paths (especially in peak hour). You'd be blocking the Up and Down Mains at least once an hour for no good reason. In effect, you'd be using a crucial main line (for Western pax and freight) to service two rather independent branch lines.
So, does that explain why there's no Carlingford-Lidcombe connection? Those issues are blindingly obvious to anyone who travels on the line regularly, or who has an understanding of the network. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but it gets tiring after a while when the same things keep being discussed.
It's frustration, not hostility, and you can hardly blame them. You've clearly never used Granville, Lidcombe, or any of those other stations (especially in peak), otherwise you wouldn't have said "let's demolish them".
I should have been more succinct in my explanation. The track from Platform 1 at Clyde connects onto the Platform 2 track where services head city bound on the track.
Some Carlingford services head into the city, once a weekday from my memory.
Then let's take getting from Lidcombe to Olympic Park. When the Easter Show is on, trains from the west travel through to Lidcombe (via Platform 1) then veer off onto another track after the sprint platform ends at Lidcombe (eastern end). So the furthest track on the North side of the Western corridor sees the track from Carlingford connect onto it and also sees a junction that heads into Olympic park further ahead past Lidcombe.
This was the basis of my support for a Carlingford- Olympic Park service.
I do agree though about the issue of extra traffic on the up and down (North side) tracks but I am sure that there is room for the timetable to be slightly amended, especially if you just make the service every 30 minutes or hour so less regularly.
And thank you for putting your view forward in a respectful manner
Track through Platform 6 at Clyde is now wired again, and is connected to numerous sidings.
...[Olympic Park] has become such a popular service that there is now a service every ten minutes...
I can't see Epping to Parramatta connected in the near future. The chances of closing the line? I would put my money on the latter. The other option not mentioned is to use the current line to Carlingford and convert it to light rail with a connection to Granville doing yoyo's and eliminating Clyde station completely. This is my opinion of course and far cheaper in regards to running and infrastructure costs. Like most things in the railways, I will believe it when I see it. Might as well add the Northwest Rail link to that equation. All we need is a change of state government for all the grand plans to go out the window. As for all the feasibility studies and land purchases? The land can sit idle for years and be sold off at a profit later down the track.Options I see
The current state government will either shine or fail in grand style.
The interchanges are Clyde on the main line timetables are designed to support the CFD line service, so running to Lidcombe has minimal benifit.This is incorrect. The timetable is designed for passengers travelling between Carlingford Line stations and the city, and connections to the city at Clyde are excellent. However, passengers have no way to travel west - the connecting services from Clyde to Penrith arrive almost 30 minutes after the Carlingford train arrives at Clyde most of the time. Passengers are unable to get to South Line stations or Richmond branchline stations, without either taking the up train to Lidcombe and changing, waiting 30 minutes for the next down Penrith service and changing at Granville, or exiting Clyde and walking to Granville to continue their journeys west or south.
Options I see
1) Cost is why the line would be closed and cost can be improved on. The current two man operation of trains on this line needs a big "WTF" are we doing review. All platforms bar one are straight. The line runs mostly as a shuttle so modify a few 4 car sets to DOO as per Melbourne arrangements! Perhaps Olympic Park line can be done the same.
The interchanges are Clyde on the main line timetables are designed to support the CFD line service, so running to Lidcombe has minimal benifit.
2) The current timertable shows it takes 13-14min to run each leg. If the train was kept as two man crew, but operated by two guys with dual roles, you could turn the train around faster. ie no swapping ends. However this doesn't provide suitable time for toilet breaks etc without rostering a 3rd person.
3) Forget 30min timetable, why cannot it be run as 40-45min timetable? Still with DOO
The PERL will one day happen, but currently ring lines are not a priorty nor logistically practical. Perhaps once the NWRL Metro style services have proved their worth at delievring HR at lower capital and operating cost than CR standards this is a longterm option to run every 2nd train from Chatswood via CFD to Parramatta and other to NWRL.