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      Tribitaka Station Master

    Hi,

    Was on a train from South Yarra to Flinders at approx. 4:30 today and it was a Siemens train coming from Sandringham.
    Anyway, to my surprise I saw an X'Trap travelling alongside towards Richmond from the eastern platforms (One of the cars was motor car 16M.) I was however unsure where it was coming from!
    I then saw a second X'Trap travelling towards the South Yarra east most platforms at the exact same time!

    Have they already started revenue X'Trap services on the Frankston line?
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 21:04

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      alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    They can run on some of those lines out of service.
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 21:11
      Tribitaka Station Master

    They can run on some of those lines out of service.
    alstom_888m
    Both had passengers on board!
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 21:15
      Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

    Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
    The required signalling and safeworking alterations have not yet been carried out.  Xtraps cannot run in service on Caulfield Group services at this time.
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 21:29

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      alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    Both had passengers on board!
    Tribitaka
    Metro staff perhaps?
    Posted: 21 Jun 2013 23:40
      Tribitaka Station Master

    I actually asked one of my friends and he recalled the one arriving at South Yarra had no passengers and no destination on it.
    And the one leaving only had people in one carriage and they were all standing.

    Sounds exactly like tests and staff!
    Posted: 22 Jun 2013 18:08
      jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Near Caulfield Station
    I was waiting at Caulfield this last Thursday morning for my Frankston train and a X'Trap pulled into Caulfield platform 4 at around 7.10am.  It waited around for about 10 mins then pulled out of platform 4 and headed back to the city, 4 mins before the Cranbourne train was due. Bit of an unusual sight for that time of the morning, actually a bit of an unusual sight for any time of the day. I do remember times about five or six years ago when a X'Trap set was sent down to the Westall yards to stable for the day off-peak, returning to the city in time for the afternoon peak.
    Posted: 23 Jun 2013 13:54
      H222 Beginner

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    I saw a Siemens on the Glen Waverley line a couple of weeks ago. It was doing signal sightings and platform clearance tests IIRC

    Jamie
    Posted: 24 Jun 2013 17:36
      railblogger Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
    I saw a Siemens on the Glen Waverley line a couple of weeks ago. It was doing signal sightings and platform clearance tests IIRC

    Jamie
    H222
    Yes it was testing the new DTRS.

    Anyway, back on topic...
    Posted: 24 Jun 2013 17:59
      Chrono Detector Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Tram 57/59
    If X-Traps are cleared to run on Frankston or Cragieburn lines why aren't they running revenue services on those lines? Don't X-Traps get stabled at Cragieburn or something like that?
    Posted: 24 Jun 2013 18:34
      Tribitaka Station Master

    But how would a Frankston train (or any other Caulfield Group Line) be routed to a North Melbourne Group line without skipping a station in the City Loop, or doubling up on one?
    Posted: 24 Jun 2013 19:20
      Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

    Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
    Xtraps are not cleared to run in service on those lines.

    Signals and driver's platform-vision mirrors / monitors require shifting to take account of the Xtrap central driving position.  They are currently all set for the more normal left-hand driving position found on all other trains.

    A compromise position has to be established, agreed, the alterations signed off on, funded and put in place before those trains can run in service.  Currently they may only run out of service on test runs under special conditions.

    The whole process is steadily taking place but it won't happen overnight.

    Xtraps are not currently stabled at Craigieburn.   They are berthed at North Melbourne, Epping and Bayswater with some in sidings at other locations on the Burnley and Clifton Hill service  groups including Upper Ferntree Gully, Ringwood, Burnley, Eltham and Clifton Hill.
    Posted: 24 Jun 2013 19:25

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      Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

    Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
    But how would a Frankston train (or any other Caulfield Group Line) be routed to a North Melbourne Group line without skipping a station in the City Loop, or doubling up on one?
    Tribitaka
    Many Frankston trains already do not serve the City Loop as they run straight on to or from Werribee which is on the Northern Group.

    If other destinations or through-routing were required they would do the same.  Departing Flinders Street they can cross to the Northern "loop" track on the viaduct.  Simple.
    Posted: 24 Jun 2013 19:27
      YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

    Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
    Xtraps are not cleared to run in service on those lines.

    Signals and driver's platform-vision mirrors / monitors require shifting to take account of the Xtrap central driving position.  They are currently all set for the more normal left-hand driving position found on all other trains.

    A compromise position has to be established, agreed, the alterations signed off on, funded and put in place before those trains can run in service.  Currently they may only run out of service on test runs under special conditions.

    The whole process is steadily taking place but it won't happen overnight.

    Xtraps are not currently stabled at Craigieburn.   They are berthed at North Melbourne, Epping and Bayswater with some in sidings at other locations on the Burnley and Clifton Hill service  groups including Upper Ferntree Gully, Ringwood, Burnley, Eltham and Clifton Hill.
    Gwiwer
    And we still buy these animals with shortcomings identical to the original.......
    Posted: 24 Jun 2013 20:51
      Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Terminating at Ringwood
    Yes, the rail lines which cannot run X'Trapolis trains will either be given to V/Line or converted to light rail or bike tracks/rail trails. Siemens trains will be converted to DMUs and Comeng cars will be modified to supplement broad gauge N sets and H sets. The odd Hitachi will still run to Belgrave and Lilydale in 40°C heat. Smile
    Posted: 25 Jun 2013 04:27

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      AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

    Location: Along route 69
    Keep in mind, they are doing work to make Xtraps run to Frankston and Werribee. Maybe this is the start of it.
    Posted: 25 Jun 2013 18:19
      Circulars Beginner

    I was waiting at Caulfield this last Thursday morning for my Frankston train and a X'Trap pulled into Caulfield platform 4 at around 7.10am.  It waited around for about 10 mins then pulled out of platform 4 and headed back to the city, 4 mins before the Cranbourne train was due. Bit of an unusual sight for that time of the morning, actually a bit of an unusual sight for any time of the day.
    "jdekorte"

    This was a misrouted Glen Waverley service.
    Posted: 15 Jul 2013 01:17
      Bobman Locomotive Fireman

    An X-trap passed through Glenhuntly today (Frankston line). No pax on board.
    Posted: 22 Jul 2013 18:18
      Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

    An X-trap passed through Glenhuntly today (Frankston line). No pax on board.
    Bobman
    Signal and SPOT infrastructure sighting probably
    Posted: 23 Jul 2013 15:31
      shaun001 Station Master

    There was another one going through Carrum this morning towards Frankston
    Posted: 23 Jul 2013 17:32
      mission_ridiculous Station Staff

    There was another one going through Carrum this morning towards Frankston
    shaun001
    Can confirm xtraps are currently undergoing SPOT infrastructure and signal sighting on the Frankston line.
    Posted: 23 Jul 2013 21:40
      712M Chief Commissioner

    Spotted a 3 car Siemens running empty down the Epping line around 15:00 today.
    Posted: 29 Jul 2013 21:45
      Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

    Spotted a 3 car Siemens running empty down the Epping line around 15:00 today.
    712M
    Nothing overly unusual about this. Probably going to the Epping wash to have a thorough clean after another unfortunate incident somewhere.
    Posted: 30 Jul 2013 09:54
      712M Chief Commissioner

    Any reason they don't use the wash at Craigieburn?
    Posted: 30 Jul 2013 20:19
      Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

    Any reason they don't use the wash at Craigieburn?
    712M
    Maybe they have 'special' cleaners at Epping that they don't have at Craigieburn. (And they are special, i can guarantee that)
    In all seriousness, I don't know, I'd never thought to ask.
    Posted: 30 Jul 2013 22:06

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