Maryborough numbers

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
They are solid numbers.  How do they compare to the ararat service?

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  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

They are solid numbers.  How do they compare to the ararat service?
bevans
It is interesting that in the Rail Revival Study, the average number of passengers per trip was quoted at 26.
I am not sure what time period that was based on or how old the figures were.
Again they do seem a bit light on just compared with my anecdotal counts that I have posted... I suppose I will just keep posting when I do travel.

And  Mike, I am not a daily user... once or at best twice per week . It would be helpful if other users could post some numbers as well.
  dean65 Locomotive Driver

Location: Ballarat
It is interesting that in the Rail Revival Study, the average number of passengers per trip was quoted at 26.
I am not sure what time period that was based on or how old the figures were.
Again they do seem a bit light on just compared with my anecdotal counts that I have posted... I suppose I will just keep posting when I do travel.

And  Mike, I am not a daily user... once or at best twice per week . It would be helpful if other users could post some numbers as well.
Blinkey
That line badly needs more services so people can make day trips arriving in the morning and leaving at night. With what we have now visitors are forced to spend the night and the next train leaves early in the morning at 7am.
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

That line badly needs more services so people can make day trips arriving in the morning and leaving at night. With what we have now visitors are forced to spend the night and the next train leaves early in the morning at 7am.
dean65
The timetable is designed to suit Vline more than anyone else. It s initial market seems to be students and workers going to and from Ballarat. Thats OK in itself but it does seriously limit the market. The comments on the day return are spot on . Also the weekend  down train leaving at 4pm  makes it impossible to go to the football or races or a matinee show etc because you have to leave half way through the performance. The Aratat train leaves at around 5:30pm which is much more sensible. I think this is to do with rostering, train availability  and related issues rather than what the public actuially wants or needs
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The timetable is designed to suit Vline more than anyone else. It s initial market seems to be students and workers going to and from Ballarat. Thats OK in itself but it does seriously limit the market. The comments on the day return are spot on . Also the weekend  down train leaving at 4pm  makes it impossible to go to the football or races or a matinee show etc because you have to leave half way through the performance. The Aratat train leaves at around 5:30pm which is much more sensible. I think this is to do with rostering, train availability  and related issues rather than what the public actuially wants or needs
"Blinkey"


Exactly.  There is a great deal of Victoria which is designed to be bureaucrat-friendly, and any gain to the customer is incidental.

The example above is one; then there are Myki and Toll Roads, both  made extremely difficult for visitors, and some degree of nuisance to locals. But who cares?  Not the bureaucrats.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The timetable is designed to suit Vline more than anyone else. It s initial market seems to be students and workers going to and from Ballarat. Thats OK in itself but it does seriously limit the market. The comments on the day return are spot on . Also the weekend  down train leaving at 4pm  makes it impossible to go to the football or races or a matinee show etc because you have to leave half way through the performance. The Aratat train leaves at around 5:30pm which is much more sensible. I think this is to do with rostering, train availability  and related issues rather than what the public actuially wants or needs
"Blinkey"


Do you acknowledge the fact that Maryborough has a smorgas board of Road coach services to and from both Ballarat and Castlemaine (that connect with trains)

Some people have the Idea that the two daily train services are the only public transport out and Into Maryborough.

The numbers quoted by observers ain't showing any more than a road coach load, so fat chance on getting any more services In and out of Maryborough.
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

that is yet to be seen
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Do you acknowledge the fact that Maryborough has a smorgas board of Road coach services to and from both Ballarat and Castlemaine (that connect with trains)

Some people have the Idea that the two daily train services are the only public transport out and Into Maryborough.

The numbers quoted by observers ain't showing any more than a road coach load, so fat chance on getting any more services In and out of Maryborough.
Nightfire

I conclude the exact opposite.

Yes, in addition to the daily train, there are buses into and through Maryborough.  So, that says to me that there is greater potential to get better usage out of the train.  And remember, none of the buses to points beyond Maryborough connect with the train, so much of the potential train patronage is denied to it.  Not only that, on some days there is a bus that runs from Ballarat to Maryborough and return only 35 minutes after the train - practically duplicating it.  And that's before you consider that there are also many daily local services between Ballarat and Creswick.  And despite all that there are still 40 to 50 on each train.

So, the potential is to use the modes to their respective best potential.  Replace one of the daily Ballarat - Maryborough buses by a second train, and time onward connecting buses so that they connect with trains.  That way the service is improved not only to Maryborough but onward also.

At the moment it's suboptimal and the potential of the rail service is not being fulfilled.
  MikeyJackson Locomotive Driver

Location: Footscray, Victoria, Australia
how could we get the truth from vline? is it possible to FOI this information?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Would vline have spare rolling stock for a service between Geelong and Ballarat?

Regards
Brian
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Would vline have spare rolling stock for a service between Geelong and Ballarat?

Regards
Brian
bevans
I don't think so.
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

Just though I better check in  and let the forum know that there have been busses on the Maryborough line for a couple weeks.  I travelled on day and there was less than than 20 coming into Ballarat. That probably says it all... people really don't like busses to travel on. I know a number who have said that they are driving to Caslemaine or Ballarat rather than catch the bus. Another said that he had put off his journey until the train returns (yesterday I think) I am travelling down on Monday and I will post the numbers for up and I should return on Tuesday on the down

Blinkey
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

I don't think so.
railblogger
There are new  velocities coming which may mean some sprinters become available
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
There are new  velocities coming which may mean some sprinters become available
Blinkey
But with crowding on the existing lines there is the possibility that these will be required on these lines.
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

43 passengers arriving into Ballarat on the 0731 up this morning
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
There are new  velocities coming which may mean some sprinters become available
Blinkey

I wrote an email to PTV recently querying the value of spending $2.5M providing a new station at Talbot when there is only 1 train service each way per day.

The response I received was that the stop at Talbot was an election commitment which is why it is happening and that PTV is looking to introduce a second service each way to Maryborough in the medium term.

Unfortunately there was no indication in the response as to how long 'medium term' is.

Ross
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

43 passengers arriving into Ballarat on the 0731 up this morning
"Blinkey"

Sounds like a nice comfortable bus load.
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
I wrote an email to PTV recently querying the value of spending $2.5M providing a new station at Talbot when there is only 1 train service each way per day.

The response I received was that the stop at Talbot was an election commitment which is why it is happening and that PTV is looking to introduce a second service each way to Maryborough in the medium term.

Unfortunately there was no indication in the response as to how long 'medium term' is.

Ross
Rossco T
"Medium term" in relation to election commitments means "It will be finished just before the NEXT election".

Dave
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If/When they do introduce a second service what times would be best or could be proposed?  If would surely have to be a service during the day?
  712M Chief Commissioner

I would imagine they would form the Maryborough service off the current 6 car 0906 down Wendouree by dividing at Ballarat. Up service would connect with the 1547 up Wendouree, arriving Melbourne at 1729 in time to form a peak service.
  Blinkey Junior Train Controller

1600 down Marybotough today 25th June 58 passengers leaving Ballarat
  Lance-Fieldline Train Controller

Location: Stalybridge Station Buffet
I would imagine they would form the Maryborough service off the current 6 car 0906 down Wendouree by dividing at Ballarat. Up service would connect with the 1547 up Wendouree, arriving Melbourne at 1729 in time to form a peak service.
712M

Hi there

Ever wondered why the 09:06 DN is 6 cars? Hint it isn't due to the number of passengers on the train.

It's the UP ex Wendouree that needs the 6 cars, sending 3 off to Maryborough when a mini-bus would suffice seems a bit of an overkill.

Cheers
Lance
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
1600 down Marybotough today 25th June 58 passengers leaving Ballarat
Blinkey

Not such a comfortable load for a bus  Smile
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Not such a comfortable load for a bus  Smile
"Calgully"

By my calculations, more than three-quarters of all the seats on the train are empty (assuming a 3-car VLocity). As far as the extension of services to Maryborough is concerned, that's a train departing at the start of its journey with a load factor of less than 25%.  And that is considered a good day?  Not too many businesses could stay solvent with that figure...
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
By my calculations, more than three-quarters of all the seats on the train are empty (assuming a 3-car VLocity). As far as the extension of services to Maryborough is concerned, that's a train departing at the start of its journey with a load factor of less than 25%.  And that is considered a good day?  Not too many businesses could stay solvent with that figure...
duttonbay

All that's true but..

1)  It's not a business it's a service
2)  It's more than a bus load
3)  It's not a good day it seems it's an average day

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