GWA locomotive drivers (2013)

 
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
With the expected growth in rail in the coming 10-20 years after many many years of on non investment, the industry cannot rely on young twenty somethings chancing across the industry and choosing a rail career, this maybe ok for the moment but not sustainable for the future. Aurizon, Asciano, UGL, ARTC should be making themselves known at career expos now to cater for the projected growth (I'm nor sure if they currently do) to make young people aware that there are very worthwhile careers in rail from drivers, technicians, mechanics, engineers to the corporate side of rail businesses and career pathways from entry level positions to those in management.
Spiritman
Fortunately then, the industry is attracting people from all ages. It has done so for 150 years, and will continue to do so for another 150 years.Some figures
*RailCorp attracts on average 15,000 applications per round for drivers aged 18-63
*Rural PN attracts 500+ aged 18-65 per round (Talking about remote, rural depots here, in the metrop, the figure is easily in the thousands)

There is more then ample demand, for present and short/long term recruitment requirements. Given a lot of the work is also seasonal, I think you will also find that atm, there is a glut of work. The mining boom for drivers is falling back, the need for drivers in the Bulk sector is winding back. Both will provide enough qualified drivers into the pool to see the company's through to the next big grain season.

I can see in the next 2, 3 years the number of trainee positions being offered will be near zero as the people retiring will be offset by surplus bodies from the mining and bulk sectors. It is already started now.

EDIT: Many many years of non investment? I think you will find at most it has been a decade, and in the very short time (3 years) numbers have been built up to meet requirements very easily. Projected growth is  well catered for.
Why waste money on career expos, people are pushing down the walls to get a job.

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  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW

Why waste money on career expos, people are pushing down the walls to get a job.
seb2351
Railcorp looks to have considered this issue even they though they have "15000" people knocking at their door wanting jobs. I quote from their 2011-2012 Annual Report " A Railcorp Workforce Profile has been developed which provides baseline data on the state of the current workforce, it's challenges and it's risks" it goes on to say that another report was commissioned "A review of Railcorp engineering resources was conducted.....to determine the scope of available resources, competency streams, career pathways,and potential resourcing risks" going further they also provided reference data to the Rail Innovation (CRC) and the ARA with the aim of "enhancing the image of the rail industry as an employment sector, and identifying career options across the industry" and "identifying industry wide resourcing issues.....targeted at improving the ability of the rail industry to attract and retain resources". That is a lot of money being wasted on reports and projects across 3 organisations if there wasn't an emerging problem. Once all of their reviews and reports are complete let's target the kid's and make them all rail advocates....well at least some of them Smile
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Railcorp looks to have considered this issue even they though they have "15000" people knocking at their door wanting jobs. I quote from their 2011-2012 Annual Report " A Railcorp Workforce Profile has been developed which provides baseline data on the state of the current workforce, it's challenges and it's risks" it goes on to say that another report was commissioned "A review of Railcorp engineering resources was conducted.....to determine the scope of available resources, competency streams, career pathways,and potential resourcing risks" going further they also provided reference data to the Rail Innovation (CRC) and the ARA with the aim of "enhancing the image of the rail industry as an employment sector, and identifying career options across the industry" and "identifying industry wide resourcing issues.....targeted at improving the ability of the rail industry to attract and retain resources". That is a lot of money being wasted on reports and projects across 3 organisations if there wasn't an emerging problem. Once all of their reviews and reports are complete let's target the kid's and make them all rail advocates....well at least some of them Smile
Spiritman
RailCorp, wasting money on reports? No! Stop the presses!

If you continue to read the documents, you will find the focus is not on drivers. Which is what you were arguing before.

Also, this topic has gone way beyond what this thread is about- GWA!
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
GWA finally took down the job at for Pt Augusta just recently, about 3 months after the job ad said applications has closed, so I presume they either realised they can't get enough applicants that fit the desired profile, or they did finally reach whatever recruitment target they'd set for the expansion of the IO contract, and to cater for a lot of train crew at Pt Aug depot at or close to the point where they can retire.

Craig.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
GWA finally took down the job at for Pt Augusta just recently, about 3 months after the job ad said applications has closed, so I presume they either realised they can't get enough applicants that fit the desired profile, or they did finally reach whatever recruitment target they'd set for the expansion of the IO contract, and to cater for a lot of train crew at Pt Aug depot at or close to the point where they can retire.

Craig.
"craigd"

The letters went out saying the position was no longer required, so I suspect the second option would be correct.
  rook Locomotive Driver

don't know about there not being a shortage of drivers ever rook. there is a shortage now and there has been for about 5 years. we cant get anyone to come here to Kalgoorlie even though we are the highest paid aurizon  depot here in the west and aurizon have been advertising for drivers here for most of the year.
wn514
Apologies, I was a little too categorical as I wrote that.  I was thinking of conditions industry-wide, and particularly of the (substantial) example of the Brisbane suburban network, which has gone from looming shortage to near glut of drivers in just 18 months, following a management decision in late 2011 to start banging out driver trainee schools month after month after month.  The bottom line is that operators can readily get high-quality trainee intakes, if they have the budget and support infrastructure to conduct the training.

That said, I do recognise that there will always be hardship depots, i.e. relatively unattractive locations that ship low-value cargoes, don't justify much in the way of local training budgets, and which don't have much of a local labour pool to draw from.
  car_fanatica Station Staff

The letters went out saying the position was no longer required, so I suspect the second option would be correct.
seb2351

That can't be correct..

I live about 45 minutes from Port Augusta, in Port Pirie.
I know 2x of the guys based at the depot, but live in Pirie... I caught up with one of them this morning, and he confirmed that the new guys are definitely there already, and working with the crew.

Infact, they put an additional one on... they were only going to employ 2, but ended up employing 3.


I'm talking about the trainee positions however, not the qualified one if that's what you were referring to.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
That can't be correct..

I live about 45 minutes from Port Augusta, in Port Pirie.
I know 2x of the guys based at the depot, but live in Pirie... I caught up with one of them this morning, and he confirmed that the new guys are definitely there already, and working with the crew.

Infact, they put an additional one on... they were only going to employ 2, but ended up employing 3.


I'm talking about the trainee positions however, not the qualified one if that's what you were referring to.
car_fanatica
Sorry, I was indeed talking about the qualified positions. Smile
  ChrisSun Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
GWA are calling for qualified locomotive drivers in Port Augusta again. http://www.seek.com.au/job/24754337
  davis Beginner

Location: Port Augusta
GWA are calling for qualified locomotive drivers in Port Augusta again. http://www.seek.com.au/job/24754337
ChrisSun

Also Trainees in Adelaide https://www.expr3ss.com/home.php?cc=gwa&sd=gwa
  ChrisSun Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
Also Trainees in Adelaide https://www.expr3ss.com/home.php?cc=gwa&sd=gwa
davis

Only for local candidates and I guess that means you must be based in Adelaide, otherwise the whole of Australia would apply.
  ChrisSun Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
Trainees every where in WA and QLD for Aurizon, and SA for GWA but not VIC and NSW. I'll have to wait until Victoria gets another intake of Trainees. Good luck to those applying.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Trainees every where in WA and QLD for Aurizon, and SA for GWA but not VIC and NSW. I'll have to wait until Victoria gets another intake of Trainees. Good luck to those applying.

ChrisSun
Yep good luck to all applying for those, eagerly awaiting positions in NSW which from other threads in this forum should start appearing in the new FY from about August.
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
I noticed GWA have advertised for trainee loco drivers and rail operators (ie. shunters) for Adelaide and Tailem Bend, and they have a Technical Trainer position for Adelaide open as well.

Craig.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
hello spiritman and chrissun. is there any particular reason you are not prepared to south australia or western Australia for the trainees jobs or is it just your personal situations that prohibit you making the move.
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
If you're absolutely serious about entering the industry you will apply for these positions.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
If you're absolutely serious about entering the industry you will apply for these positions.
Typhon

dead right there typhon. sometimes if you cant get a job where you are, you may have to be prepared to make a move to where the work is.
  tryingtodrive Beginner

If you're absolutely serious about entering the industry you will apply for these positions.
Typhon

Hi everyone

May seem like a good idea to just apply but when they want local and you don't live there it seems an almost automatic thanks but no thanks is on the way

I am extremely serious to enter the industry but I don't know if continually applying will just get to the point where you are seen as a try hard. The only company that doesn't seem to be dead set against not being local is aurizon who have it in there applications that are you willing to relocate to pursue a position. GWA and PN don't ask this.

GWA have knocked back 3 guys from Pt Augusta that I know who have done the testing and interview in Whyalla over the past years as they want local people that can be called in. Different rostering system I suppose then the Port Augusta depot. However they then put on people in Port Augusta from Pt Pirie which is further away then Whyalla ???

As much as we all may want a start, I think the HR system has its set requirements and not a lot of room for flexibility. And as they will get probably in the thousands of applicants from Adelaide it would help to knock the pile of applications down rather quickly by disregarding anyone not local.

Should have tried a career change before recruiting went away from done locally and it was more a case of who you know or who your related to rather than anything else when it came to getting a start

Anyways keep on trying.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hi everyone

May seem like a good idea to just apply but when they want local and you don't live there it seems an almost automatic thanks but no thanks is on the way

I am extremely serious to enter the industry but I don't know if continually applying will just get to the point where you are seen as a try hard. The only company that doesn't seem to be dead set against not being local is aurizon who have it in there applications that are you willing to relocate to pursue a position. GWA and PN don't ask this.

As much as we all may want a start, I think the HR system has its set requirements and not a lot of room for flexibility. And as they will get probably in the thousands of applicants from Adelaide it would help to knock the pile of applications down rather quickly by disregarding anyone not local.

Should have tried a career change before recruiting went away from done locally and it was more a case of who you know or who your related to rather than anything else when it came to getting a start

Anyways keep on trying.

tryingtodrive
Hi Tryingtodrive

I'm of the same opinion, and talking to recruitment professionals here and in other social network forums they preference local candidates in stable relationships that can be relied upon in the long term and not take off back to where they originally came from after spending thousands training them.

I'm also not of this new generation of very mobile young professionals, I've had 2 jobs in the last 23 odd years and feel some loyalty to the people I work for.

This industry is set grow over the next 10 years so in the meantime I will wait for the right opportunity and continue to expand my network through these forums and other forms of social media.

Good luck again to all going for GWA jobs.
  Clyde_AT26HC-2M Chief Train Controller

HR from GWA prefer to take on trainees that are local. Even if you live in Adelaide and apply for a position in Pt Augusta, they would take on the locals there.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
HR from GWA prefer to take on trainees that are local. Even if you live in Adelaide and apply for a position in Pt Augusta, they would take on the locals there.
Clyde_AT26HC-2M

unless they don't get enough applications from locals, then surely they will take on people from elsewhere.
  tryingtodrive Beginner

HR from GWA prefer to take on trainees that are local. Even if you live in Adelaide and apply for a position in Pt Augusta, they would take on the locals there.
Clyde_AT26HC-2M
I think the HR departments are trying to pick off a list of predetermined requirements and if you don't tick all the boxs thanks no thanks.

I know a guy who works in corrections who put in for terminal ops last time they came up in SA. He had an interview but didn't get in.
When talking to him about it he didn't know what the job actually was (thought it was a straight drivers job) and didn't even know which company he had had an interview with.

I put in and got nowhere again so rang HR to be told 193 people put in for it, for 15 interviews and 1 job. If HR can give one of the interview positions away like that i don't know how your supposed to believe that you will ever get a genuine chance at it.

When I did GWA testing last July there was at least half a dozen no shows to the test session that I went to when I would jump at the chance to at least have another shot at it, obviously not everyone though. 6 no shows are 6 wasted opportunitys for someone else.

But anyway, have to try and have faith in the system.
  ChrisSun Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
When I did GWA testing last July there was at least half a dozen no shows to the test session that I went to when I would jump at the chance to at least have another shot at it, obviously not everyone though. 6 no shows are 6 wasted opportunitys for someone else.

But anyway, have to try and have faith in the system.
tryingtodrive

It really makes you wonder why the people applied for the job and got the interview in the first place without any intent of doing the psychometric testing, let alone wanting a job as a trainee loco driver. Whilst others like us would be trainees would view it as something sought after. These people who have no intent on getting the job by failing to show up are wasting the time and resources of HR who have spent the time and effort to organise these tests. If GWA doesn't manage to fill their full intake as a result of no shows, it would have to re-advertise for Trainees where you see the same lot of people who didn't get an interview in the first intake apply again (that includes me where I've applied twice to PN in Kalgoorlie).
  davis Beginner

Location: Port Augusta
I think the HR departments are trying to pick off a list of predetermined requirements and if you don't tick all the boxs thanks no thanks.

I know a guy who works in corrections who put in for terminal ops last time they came up in SA. He had an interview but didn't get in.
When talking to him about it he didn't know what the job actually was (thought it was a straight drivers job) and didn't even know which company he had had an interview with.

I put in and got nowhere again so rang HR to be told 193 people put in for it, for 15 interviews and 1 job. If HR can give one of the interview positions away like that i don't know how your supposed to believe that you will ever get a genuine chance at it.

When I did GWA testing last July there was at least half a dozen no shows to the test session that I went to when I would jump at the chance to at least have another shot at it, obviously not everyone though. 6 no shows are 6 wasted opportunitys for someone else.

But anyway, have to try and have faith in the system.
tryingtodrive
I applied last year mate around September and got as far as the testing, wasn't really prepared for the 3 hr testing as i haven't applied for a job in over 15 odd yrs.
They indicated  they were more interested what you can do now rather than past work history to some extent. Being in my mid forties i am looking at a career change and currently work for BHPBilliton at Olympic dam and have been operating the underground remote trains for the last 10 yrs. i also have a diesel fitting trade background and unless you really shine at the tests i get the impression they aren't interested.
Had me thinking i was too old as i didn't see any guys put on around this age bracket but could be wrong though.
I thought i would have another crack the last intake but rejected straight away as well which makes me think you get one chance with the application. Maybe a name pops up on there database as having tried once and they don't think you deserve a another chance for 12 months or something, not sure
Also with the Whyalla trainees there are a few which live in port augusta and drive over each day and still got a start.
Also if it is anything like where i work now there is still a lot of not what but who you know still goes on to some degree.
But anyway this is all just my thoughts, like to think i am wrong though so keep trying as we have nothing to lose Wink
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
have you guys thought about going about it a different way. maybe putting for jobs as terminal operators/operations maintainers/shunters and then using this as a foot in the door to jobs as trainees. I know for example that aurizon do it this way where I work. at least it would be a foot in the door.
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