The comedy of eBay in the HO section. Part 2

 
  BladeHunter Station Master

Location: Sydney
Hi BladeHunter;
so if I buy a SEM RT kit and supply you with it. You will build and paint if for me at what cost????

I know some great model builders that will build SEM steam engine kits that ask for the same kit for them. Then add labour on top of the build which more than doubles the cost of the original kit.

Maybe you could go into building the kits and sell them RTR cheap as. I'll be your first customer.   Mmmmm a RTR RT in orange V/Line thanks.

Let me know where to send the kit.........................
FlatTopT413
If you bothered to read the ebay listing, you'll find the seller is changing scales. The item is list as "second hand", not a kit built under commission.

Now I'm not a fool regarding labour costs and time, having spent 85% of my working life working with my hands, 1/3 as that as chippy another 1/3 as an electronics tech and the remaining repairing & inspecting playground equipment for councils & schools.

Now if the item was built under commission, as a way of making money, I would expect to pay for the price of the kit, labour at $20 -$25 as minimum (I'm guessing) and looking at 8 - 10 hours. On top of that would be paint and cleaning fluids for painting. In saying that I would expect it to be considered a "brand new item" and be covered for any defects in workmanship and any issues regrading paint quality.

It's the same as vehicle restoration/modification, you will never be able to sell for "receipt value" even if you sell it immediately after completion plus there is no warranty if it is a private sale, but that becomes a whole different kettle of fish if someone requests you to restore a vehicle for them as a business transaction.  

The same as the mods I've made to my bike, if I decided to sell I can not expect to charge for the time I spent machining various adapters and spacers involved.The price would reflect the quality & scarcity of the parts used, but it will still only be a second part.

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  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If you bothered to read the ebay listing, you'll find the seller is changing scales. The item is list as "second hand", not a kit built under commission.

Now I'm not a fool regarding labour costs and time, having spent 85% of my working life working with my hands, 1/3 as that as chippy another 1/3 as an electronics tech and the remaining repairing & inspecting playground equipment for councils & schools.

Now if the item was built under commission, as a way of making money, I would expect to pay for the price of the kit, labour at $20 -$25 as minimum (I'm guessing) and looking at 8 - 10 hours. On top of that would be paint and cleaning fluids for painting. In saying that I would expect it to be considered a "brand new item" and be covered for any defects in workmanship and any issues regrading paint quality.

It's the same as vehicle restoration/modification, you will never be able to sell for "receipt value" even if you sell it immediately after completion plus there is no warranty if it is a private sale, but that becomes a whole different kettle of fish if someone requests you to restore a vehicle for them as a business transaction.  

The same as the mods I've made to my bike, if I decided to sell I can not expect to charge for the time I spent machining various adapters and spacers involved.The price would reflect the quality & scarcity of the parts used, but it will still only be a second part.
"BladeHunter"

So if we build to make money that is okay, but if we take the same (or more) time to build to the same standard for ourselves and the decide to go and do something different we have to flog our gear at bargain basement prices? - Right, I am starting to get the concept now. I read the listing and apologise to you, because when I read of the scale change I interpreted that statement to indicate that it was likely to be a high standard product and just being sold because there was some hidden defect the owner couldn't be bothered with - although, this is eBay and one must never assume anything...

BUT, with all that said and done, as I said, this is eBay and regardless of what you think it's worth the vendor listed it starting at $150. I hope you agree that is reasonable, but it's irrelevant even if you don't, because several others have deemed it to be worth a lot more than that initial price. Your complaint therefore ought to lie with those carrying more coin in their pockets, eBay is after all a pure competition based on desire and dollars, those with the correct proportion of both win, and it's largely out of the hands of the seller.
  BladeHunter Station Master

Location: Sydney
I'm not having a go at the vendor, I did check his other items just out of interest. $150 would have been a great deal, probably even a little too low, it looks like a very nice model, what amazes me is what people will pay.

I dare say the current bidding may have exceeded the vendor's expectations, and good luck to him.
  JGS Moderator Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
The same as the mods I've made to my bike, if I decided to sell I can not expect to charge for the time I spent machining various adapters and spacers involved.The price would reflect the quality & scarcity of the parts used, but it will still only be a second part.
BladeHunter

This is eBay. A seller can put start an auction at whatever price he likes. If someone wants it, they'll bid at that price. If someone else wants it, they'll bid higher. If nobody wants it at the opening bid, it doesn't sell.

Simple. Where's the problem?

Cheers,
Matt
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Aaron, your definition is without doubt the best description of eBay I have read over the entire 82 pages of this rant. A special mention should also go out to JGS

Well done - would be an excellent point at which to put the thread to bed
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Aaron, your definition is without doubt the best description of eBay I have read over the entire 82 pages of this rant. A special mention should also go out to JGS

Well done - would be an excellent point at which to put the thread to bed
"gw0071"

Good luck!
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Agreed

One word which would carry substantial weight in the definition of our pursuit = COMPULSIVE!


Have a wonderful weekend!
  FlatTopT413 Locomotive Fireman

Hi BladeHunter;
thanks for your response.
I can tell you I did read the description for RT and was happy to be the highest bidder, at one stage.
As in my initial post I'm happy to pay around the current mark for RT as like I said it's going to cost you that much for someone to build a like kit. Being second hand still means to get one is going to cost. I just saved effort by bidding on the current RT. Good luck to the winner.

I too myself have seen prices on EBay for items that I wouldn't consider bidding that high myself. But now and then a special item (one I consider special) comes along and I weigh up how much for the kit, paint, labour and other fees then bid. Probably like you, I point, snicker and giggle when someone else pays too much for a item, but then no one is forcing them as no one is forcing me to bid.

Each to their own style.

Happy Bidding.........................................
  BladeHunter Station Master
  steambuff Station Master

Location: Research, Victoria
Joke of the week?
For 15,000 Pounds, I could make a very nice layout, unlike:



ROFLMAO
Pete
  steambuff Station Master
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

Where's the scenery?
Apart from some loco sheds it is just track on board
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Where's the scenery?
Apart from some loco sheds it is just track on board
Showtime
The scenery comes in a bottle or container, just add water for instant scenery.Laughing
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Anyone notice this? A bit bloody silly if you ask me.
  Captain Underpants Train Controller

Anyone notice this? A bit bloody silly if you ask me.
speedemon08

A bit bloody silly link if you ask me.
Can you fix it
Cheers
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The link

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Auscision-A66-Olympics-For-Melbourne-1996-HO-Scale-A-Class-Locomotive-/321177020591?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item4ac7a468af&_uhb=1

Bidding started at $395! (Current bid $910!)
"Newcastle Express"
What you see there is two clowns (o***n and c***d) working in tandem. Both with seemingly above average amounts of dollars and desire, but unfortunately for both of them below average levels of basic intelligence and eBay nous. One of them will probably win, but either could have had it cheaper if only one of them carried more IQ to the auction.
  aussiebbq Assistant Commissioner
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Well if someone lost their original boxes maybe. Who knows, they might go the way of some collectables. No box= less value. Or in some cases, the box worth more than the model.
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Ok - here we go.

Been watching this one since it was posted. Its the Auscision 42220 that sold out eons ago....
I've got one so I'm not in the race but I reckon this is going to set a nice winning bid for the seller......

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Auscision-42220-Super-Series-one-of-a-kind-NSWGR-422-locomotive-OOP/190886993136?_trksid=p2045573.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D17395%26meid%3D768070381774800240%26pid%3D100034%26prg%3D8099%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D300837824868%26

lets see if it cracks $600!!!..
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

and this is just crazy:

Suits Austrains and Trainorama??!!!

Its not even from Australia!!...the couplers don't match and its not even vaguely suited to an Aussie layout!!!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FLEISCHMANN-4319-DB-E19-ELECTRIC-LOCO-HO-SCALE-suit-TRAINORAMA-AUSTRAINS-/161087776317?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item258194663d#ht_785wt_1170
  5711 Assistant Commissioner
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
and this is just crazy:

Suits Austrains and Trainorama??!!!

Its not even from Australia!!...the couplers don't match and its not even vaguely suited to an Aussie layout!!!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FLEISCHMANN-4319-DB-E19-ELECTRIC-LOCO-HO-SCALE-suit-TRAINORAMA-AUSTRAINS-/161087776317?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item258194663d#ht_785wt_1170
5711
I sent the following message to that seller:

Dear greg898,

Mate, sorry to say, but people like you are a total pain in the smeg. You don't do yourself any favours when you list your bloody Japanese and other countrys' models under headings like Trainorama, Austrains etc. I look at ebay daily and because I am an Australian/NSW modeller, I simply look through by searching Trainorama, Austrains, Auscision etc. Now, all I get for the first several items, are your crappy bloody overseas (non-Australian) models.
Jeez I'd love it if you'd remove those references.
Good bloody luck!!!!


This is his response:

Well jeez!!!!
- greg898

Thankyou for your criticism. I'll take your opinion into account and look for your name on the next crappy australian!! Ebay purchase that I wont sell you
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Roachie, he may not be correct, but I don't really blame him for his response to that letter.

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