have you guys thought about going about it a different way. maybe putting for jobs as terminal operators/operations maintainers/shunters and then using this as a foot in the door to jobs as trainees. I know for example that aurizon do it this way where I work. at least it would be a foot in the door.Thanks for the tip Wn514 but I was already ahead of you on that thought, setting up Seek to send me email alerts for "Terminal/Freight Operator" a few months ago. A couple of days ago I adjusted it to send me alerts for "Rail Operator" as GWA had advertised them. In fact starting out in a yard as a shunter would be a rewarding step to becoming a driver, as you get to see a little bit more of the supply chain that gets freight moved from one place to another.