Trials of "Quiet carriages"

 
  Murasaki Chief Train Controller

Location: Going sideways... in carriage DET-9216 (>ω<)
New poster is appearing at stations:
"abesty1"

Laughing at the diagram of the quiet carriages themselves: the last carriage doesn't appear to have a slanted side like the front. I didn't know we still ran loco services (like V/Line) (openparanthesis-greaterthan-w-lessthan-closedparanthesis)

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  boxythingy Chief Commissioner
  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8hbe1nfFrE
"boxythingy"

Last time, the first part of the announcement was cut off. Here's the entirety of it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebuVcvuOoKE
  abesty1 Chief Commissioner

Location: The CityRail Network

http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/shhhhh-quiet-carriages-proving-popular-one-year


Shhhhh...... Quiet Carriages proving popular one year on




Quiet carriages on intercity trains are proving to be incredibly popular for rail customers one year after their introduction to the Newcastle and Central Coast Line, Minister for Transport Gladys Berejiklian said today.

Quiet carriages were first introduced to the Newcastle and Central Coast Line a year ago, and following their enormous success during 2012, the initiative was extended to the Blue Mountains and South Coast lines.

Ms Berejiklian said customer feedback on quiet carriages has been positive, and the addition had helped to improve the customer experience on intercity services.

“A year after their introduction our customers are telling us that they enjoy using the quiet carriages and their journey is now more peaceful and enjoyable,” she said.

“Many use them regularly and most of their fellow passengers abide by the guidelines that encourage passengers to refrain from talking loudly, playing loud music and refraining from taking phone calls.

“I am pleased that our customers are benefiting from these services. Quiet carriages are a great example of new and exciting ideas being implemented across the network for rail customers under the Fixing the Trains program.”

The first and last carriages of all six and eight carriage trains and the last carriage of four carriage trains are designated quiet carriages, giving customers the option to choose a quieter and more comfortable journey.

The success of quiet carriages is part of a raft of improvements to the suburban and intercity train network ahead of the start of NSW Trains on July 1, Ms Berejiklian said.

From July 1, RailCorp will be replaced by two new-look organisations NSW Trains and Sydney Trains. NSW Trains will serve customers travelling longer distances on intercity and regional services who need reliable, comfortable trains that have on-board facilities.

If customers have feedback about the quiet carriage initiative, they are encouraged to give feedback online at http://www.131500.com.au or by calling 131500.

TfNSW





  boxythingy Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Still no acknowledgement of one major downfall- NO visual indication of Quiet carriages inside the carriages themselves (for fleet flexibility) except for those with Internal Indicator boards (If the guard does use them consistently) instead, over reliance on audio announcements to convey enforcement, defeating the purpose of Quiet carriages generating more (longer duration) of noise.
  Katanyavich Station Master

Location: Sthn NSW
IMO, it's an idea in search of a problem, and will cause more problems and issues than it solves.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL



Still no acknowledgement of one major downfall- NO visual indication of Quiet carriages inside the carriages themselves (for fleet flexibility) except for those with Internal Indicator boards (If the guard does use them consistently) instead, over reliance on audio announcements to convey enforcement, defeating the purpose of Quiet carriages generating more (longer duration) of noise.

"boxythingy"


Compare noise levels between "quiet" carriages and other carriages, then you will see (hear) the effectiveness.

  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry



Still no acknowledgement of one major downfall- NO visual indication of Quiet carriages inside the carriages themselves (for fleet flexibility) except for those with Internal Indicator boards (If the guard does use them consistently) instead, over reliance on audio announcements to convey enforcement, defeating the purpose of Quiet carriages generating more (longer duration) of noise.

"boxythingy"


Are you aware of the reason why there are no quiet carriage visuals on intercity trains? It's not like Cityrail aren't putting stickers in quiet carriages to just annoy everyone.

  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

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  mikeyandmary Beginner

I support the quiet carriage concept but using the last carriage as the quiet carriage makes it harder for those with young children who, according to CityRail http://www.cityrail.info/travelling_with/safety_and_education/children are recommended to travel near the guard's compartment. As weekend trains on my line are almost always 4 carriages (Blue Mountains), I am recommended to travel in the last carriage for safety but to comply with the quiet carriage concept am also expected to keep a toddler near silent for a 2 hour journey.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia

I support the quiet carriage concept but using the last carriage as the quiet carriage makes it harder for those with young children who, according to CityRail http://www.cityrail.info/travelling_with/safety_and_education/children are recommended to travel near the guard's compartment. As weekend trains on my line are almost always 4 carriages (Blue Mountains), I am recommended to travel in the last carriage for safety but to comply with the quiet carriage concept am also expected to keep a toddler near silent for a 2 hour journey.
"mikeyandmary"

On reading the link you have provided, I can't see where it says you have to be in the same carriage as the guard. What it does say is "Board the train near the guard's compartment so they can see you when closing the train doors".

For you, I would suggest the rear door of the 3rd carriage on your 4 car train (or same on 5th of a 6 car, or 7th of an 8 car). This way you will be quite visible to the guard (you would be no matter where else you boarded, we guards are trained to look out for this sort of thing), and you'd not have the grief of attempting to keep your littley quiet in the quiet carriage Smile
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
Further introductions of quiet carriages, now being introduced on the middle of 8 car trains, in addition to the first and last carriage. The last carriage of Endeavours are now quiet carriages for the Southern Highlands, South Coast and Bathurst. On 4 car trains (Goulburn Endeavours and off-peak electrics), the first and last carriages are quiet carriages.

Obviously it is working very well, even if its self-enforced or further trials would not be introduced.

http://www.131500.com.au/service-changes/late-breaking-news-1/rail/more-quiet-carriages-on-more-intercity-trains
  V-Setcommuter Locomotive Fireman

Location: Blue Mountains
Further introductions of quiet carriages, now being introduced on the middle of 8 car trains, in addition to the first and last carriage. The last carriage of Endeavours are now quiet carriages for the Southern Highlands, South Coast and Bathurst. On 4 car trains (Goulburn Endeavours and off-peak electrics), the first and last carriages are quiet carriages.

Obviously it is working very well, even if its self-enforced or further trials would not be introduced.

http://www.131500.com.au/service-changes/late-breaking-news-1/rail/more-quiet-carriages-on-more-intercity-trains
bowralcommuter
The guard on my Blue Mountains train this morning made announcements, at several stations, detailing the new arrangements.
  plettner Chief Train Controller

Location: Kiama
I avoid the "quiet" carriages because I find they rarely live up to their name.  However, I do believe there should be proper signage and maybe a different seating colour scheme down the line.  So, the position of the carriage itself doesn't matter, but the quiet carriage is clearly denoted.

In Germany, the commuter trains even had a first ad second class.  First class had yellow coloured band on the exterior and different colour scheme for the seating.
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
I avoid the "quiet" carriages because I find they rarely live up to their name.  However, I do believe there should be proper signage and maybe a different seating colour scheme down the line.  
plettner
Proper signage wasn't possible previously, when the last carriage was the quiet carriage, but will be risiculously easy to introduce now, since ALL motor cars on V sets, and driving trailers on H sets will be quiet carriages.

Dave
  plettner Chief Train Controller

Location: Kiama
I just hopped an H set and the first carriages has quiet carriage signs in the doors. It's a four-car H.

I will get some pictures in a moment when it terminates at Dapto.  I moved to the first carriage.

OD6958 also has stickers on the inside.  It is H28.

I'm using my Surface tablet and can't seem to get a link to my pictures so I'll post when I get home later.

I sometimes catch the Dapto train from Coniston where it terminates at Dapto.  I then wait for the next Kiama train.

This one, OD6955, has the quiet stickers inside but not on the entry doors like the previous one.
  plettner Chief Train Controller

Location: Kiama






  Nathan1987 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mt Warrigal N.S.W
H11 and H12 have the Quiet Carriage stickers on the doors.
  Kamz Assistant Commissioner

Proper signage wasn't possible previously, when the last carriage was the quiet carriage, but will be risiculously easy to introduce now, since ALL motor cars on V sets, and driving trailers on H sets will be quiet carriages.

Dave
thadocta
The problem now for H sets will be the suburban runs.

Great signage imo.
  plettner Chief Train Controller

Location: Kiama
As an aside, do quiet carriages apply to the T-sets they run between Port Kembla and Thirroul?
  dezzy94 Station Staff

Location: Sydney
I avoid the "quiet" carriages because I find they rarely live up to their name.  However, I do believe there should be proper signage and maybe a different seating colour scheme down the line.  So, the position of the carriage itself doesn't matter, but the quiet carriage is clearly denoted.
plettner

I tend to agree i do travel in the quiet car quite alot and most times they are just as noisy as the rest of the train and Friday nights 6:54PM Newcastle to Central train was more like the drunken party train well in the rear quiet carriage .... but im not quite sure about making 2 cars out of a 4 car set being quiet cars
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I support the quiet carriage concept but using the last carriage as the quiet carriage makes it harder for those with young children who, according to CityRail http://www.cityrail.info/travelling_with/safety_and_education/children are recommended to travel near the guard's compartment. As weekend trains on my line are almost always 4 carriages (Blue Mountains), I am recommended to travel in the last carriage for safety but to comply with the quiet carriage concept am also expected to keep a toddler near silent for a 2 hour journey.
"mikeyandmary"


I think the Quiet carriage concept has merit but I often wonder if the last carriage is the right choice for it.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
As an aside, do quiet carriages apply to the T-sets they run between Port Kembla and Thirroul?
"plettner"
I don't believe so.
  Muxcomee Station Staff

Yeah - at some stations you have to sit in the last carriage to get off. And with these new Quiet Carriages, it is sort've shoving all the noisy people into just 4 carriages. In my opinion, it would be better to shove all the people who want quietness into their own carriage, rather than forcing all noisy people togethor.

I mean, after school, there are about 700-1000 school kids from a variety of schools who catch the 3.26 train from Gosford to Sydney. Alot of them need to sit in the last carriage to get off. And it seems unfair that they have to move between carriage for the sake of another luxury. And then, you are still shoving hundreds of noisy kids into just 4 carriages. There will be so many more bags in the way, so many more groups in the way, so many more kids in the way then there were before. Whilst in the quiet carriages there will be hardly anyone. Already with only 2 cars, I notice that only about 15 - 20 people are sitting there. Throughout the rest of the train, there are hardly any other elderly or adults. Now, those same people will just have way more space, whilst this policy crams hundreds of loud and boisterous kids togethor into four carriages when we already take up 100% in 6 carriages.

Its like:

[15%] [60%] [ 70%] [70%] [80%] [80%] [90%] [10%]

With the new policy:

[10%] [80%] [90%] [10%] [10%] [100%] [100%] [10%]

And thats after Woy Woy when alot of the kids have already gotten off.
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
Yeah - at some stations you have to sit in the last carriage to get off. And with these new Quiet Carriages, it is sort've shoving all the noisy people into just 4 carriages. In my opinion, it would be better to shove all the people who want quietness into their own carriage, rather than forcing all noisy people togethor.

I mean, after school, there are about 700-1000 school kids from a variety of schools who catch the 3.26 train from Gosford to Sydney. Alot of them need to sit in the last carriage to get off. And it seems unfair that they have to move between carriage for the sake of another luxury. And then, you are still shoving hundreds of noisy kids into just 4 carriages. There will be so many more bags in the way, so many more groups in the way, so many more kids in the way then there were before. Whilst in the quiet carriages there will be hardly anyone. Already with only 2 cars, I notice that only about 15 - 20 people are sitting there. Throughout the rest of the train, there are hardly any other elderly or adults. Now, those same people will just have way more space, whilst this policy crams hundreds of loud and boisterous kids togethor into four carriages when we already take up 100% in 6 carriages.

Its like:

[15%] [60%] [ 70%] [70%] [80%] [80%] [90%] [10%]

With the new policy:

[10%] [80%] [90%] [10%] [10%] [100%] [100%] [10%]

And thats after Woy Woy when alot of the kids have already gotten off.
"Muxcomee"


You have pointed out the minority of cases where 4 quiet cars can be inconvenient but the majority of the time it will benefit passengers.

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