Incidents on the country network

 
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hello all

Is there any place where incidents on the country rail network are reported real time? Been through the John Holland and ARTC sites and can't find anything. The 131500 Trains site seems to report on only incidents affecting the Sydney or greater Sydney network.

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  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
I assume there isn't such a service from the lack of responses (or perhaps incidents are telephoned/radioed to affected trains only)? Wouldn't rail operators operating on the CRN/ARTC network benefit from something like the 131500 Trains? Train controllers for JH or ARTC could update some sort of central database or tweet disruptions (breakdowns, derailments etc) like 131500 Trains to keep customers informed.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
I assume there isn't such a service from the lack of responses (or perhaps incidents are telephoned/radioed to affected trains only)? Wouldn't rail operators operating on the CRN/ARTC network benefit from something like the 131500 Trains? Train controllers for JH or ARTC could update some sort of central database or tweet disruptions (breakdowns, derailments etc) like 131500 Trains to keep customers informed.
Spiritman
You have at most half a dozen operators that might be affected by a disruption - why would you need a website or tweets to let such a handful of people know?  Just ring them up!

When a disruption affected a regional passenger rail service then relatively timely information on the impact on the service was posted to the countrylink website and available from their call centre number.  The nswtrainlink website appears to have the same information.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
You have at most half a dozen operators that might be affected by a disruption - why would you need a website or tweets to let such a handful of people know?  Just ring them up!

When a disruption affected a regional passenger rail service then relatively timely information on the impact on the service was posted to the countrylink website and available from their call centre number.  The nswtrainlink website appears to have the same information.
donttellmywife
I can't see anything but benefits in operational efficiency, to train crews, customers (passenger and supply chain), and operators by integrating NSW network disruption reporting into one accessible database. Phone calls imo are less efficient and prone to human forgetfulness.
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

There's something about the term "operational efficiency" that doesn't seem to mix well with other terms like "CRN" and "ARTC". Just sayin'...
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
There's something about the term "operational efficiency" that doesn't seem to mix well with other terms like "CRN" and "ARTC". Just sayin'...
HeadShunt
Go on then, come up with a plausible scenario where some sort of central real time database would make any sort of material difference.
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
Spiritman, you seem to be assuming the operators aren't aware of what goes on on the network already.
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

Go on then, come up with a plausible scenario where some sort of central real time database would make any sort of material difference.
donttellmywife
Zero.

The OP might have some better ideas on that, though.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
NSW network disruption reporting into one accessible database
Spiritman
That would be network control at Broadmeadow and/or Junee. I don't think it's a matter of people "forgetting" things, they have paid area controllers to deal with that kind of thing, and inform operators as relevant. I don't think a train has come upon a washaway and called control to be told that "they forgot about it".
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
I assume there isn't such a service from the lack of responses
Spiritman
You are complaining about a lack of responses less than two hours after your original post, on a working day? Talk about precious!

Dave
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
You are complaining about a lack of responses less than two hours after your original post, on a working day? Talk about precious!

Dave
thadocta
My original post was on the 6th (wasn't complaining though just judged that there wasn't such a system in place). Just read in July's Railway Digest that Aurizon will be introducing some sort of operational optimisation software from GE Transport that "helps trains move faster and more efficiently" real time. For this to occur effectively it would require integration of the systems (whether it be a single dbase or the ones currently in use) used by JH and ARTC with Aurizon's. A job for some software/IT specialists.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
My original post was on the 6th (wasn't complaining though just judged that there wasn't such a system in place). Just read in July's Railway Digest that Aurizon will be introducing some sort of operational optimisation software from GE Transport that "helps trains move faster and more efficiently" real time. For this to occur effectively it would require integration of the systems (whether it be a single dbase or the ones currently in use) used by JH and ARTC with Aurizon's. A job for some software/IT specialists.
Spiritman

Don't forget the business case and someone funding it as a joint ARTC/JHR(TfNSW) initiative Wink
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
My original post was on the 6th (wasn't complaining though just judged that there wasn't such a system in place). Just read in July's Railway Digest that Aurizon will be introducing some sort of operational optimisation software from GE Transport that "helps trains move faster and more efficiently" real time. For this to occur effectively it would require integration of the systems (whether it be a single dbase or the ones currently in use) used by JH and ARTC with Aurizon's. A job for some software/IT specialists.
Spiritman
If that software is what I think it is (I don't have the article), then you need to be mindful that there is a 500 kilometre gap between the CRN/ARTC lines and Aurizon's lines, let alone that little historical issue this country has around the best gap to have between the rails.

Again, if this software is what I think it is, it is not terribly relevant to the sort of delay advice system that sits behind 131500 and similar.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW

Again, if this software is what I think it is, it is not terribly relevant to the sort of delay advice system that sits behind 131500 and similar.
donttellmywife
Agree, but if the the separate systems are integrated then an "advisory" system is inherently built in for the operators, what they do with the info is up to them (such as Aurizon's new software), whether you extend that publicly via a twitter handle say @nswrailnet (are crews supplied with company smartphones or ipads?) is a matter for the network owners.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
If that software is what I think it is (I don't have the article), then you need to be mindful that there is a 500 kilometre gap between the CRN/ARTC lines and Aurizon's lines, let alone that little historical issue this country has around the best gap to have between the rails.
donttellmywife
Sorry but a little predantic point; Aurizon's coal trains run in the Hunter Valley in NSW so not sure about what you mean about the 500 kilometre gap between the CRN/ARTC lines and Aurizon's lines.  Also similar confusion with your "little historical issue this country has around the best gap to have between the rails" as the Aurizon's NSW traffic uses rails with same 1435mm gap between rails that is found on CRN/ARTC lines.  

I did not notice any gauge specific mention in that July RD article which mentioned traffic management which could apply to Auziron's train which operate between Perth and their east coat operations.

After that minor predantic point, you can return to the main thread topic.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Sorry but a little predantic point; Aurizon's coal trains run in the Hunter Valley in NSW so not sure about what you mean about the 500 kilometre gap between the CRN/ARTC lines and Aurizon's lines.  Also similar confusion with your "little historical issue this country has around the best gap to have between the rails" as the Aurizon's NSW traffic uses rails with same 1435mm gap between rails that is found on CRN/ARTC lines.  

I did not notice any gauge specific mention in that July RD article which mentioned traffic management which could apply to Auziron's train which operate between Perth and their east coat operations.

After that minor predantic point, you can return to the main thread topic.
petan
I understood the post to which you refer to mean the tracks that Aurizon control, ie in QLD - their trains in NSW and the interstate standard gauge network are controlled by ARTC, whilst their regional grain train in NSW is controlled by ARTC and John Holland.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
Sorry but a little predantic point; Aurizon's coal trains run in the Hunter Valley in NSW so not sure about what you mean about the 500 kilometre gap between the CRN/ARTC lines and Aurizon's lines.  Also similar confusion with your "little historical issue this country has around the best gap to have between the rails" as the Aurizon's NSW traffic uses rails with same 1435mm gap between rails that is found on CRN/ARTC lines.  

I did not notice any gauge specific mention in that July RD article which mentioned traffic management which could apply to Auziron's train which operate between Perth and their east coat operations.

After that minor predantic point, you can return to the main thread topic.
petan
Raichase is correct - I was referring to Aurizon's lines.

Again, I don't have the article or any insider knowledge, my comment was based on general familiarity with some of the tools available for network operators to use.  You say the article "mentioned traffic management which could...".  Was the "which could" in the article, or your inference?  If the latter, then there would seem to be little point in Aurizon using "traffic management" software on the ARTC and CRN networks, because Aurizon don't manage the traffic!
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
via a twitter handle say @nswrailnet (are crews supplied with company smartphones or ipads?) is a matter for the network owners.
Spiritman

Good lor, some of these guys have enough trouble with the ICE radio and dont even know how to access their company email let alone introducing them to twitter! Smile

I think some coal guys have ipads? I imagine one day, probably not in the too distant future everything will be done on ipads from getting speed and line notices to updating track running sheets (or traco). We had radio issues once and I suggested to a Train Controller he issue my authority on Facebook, and I'll 'like' it to confirm. Didn't go down well Razz.
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

We had radio issues once and I suggested to a Train Controller he issue my authority on Facebook, and I'll 'like' it to confirm. Didn't go down well Razz.
Typhon
lol... He must have been a member of the Fun Police.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
I must say, the idea of iPads being used as a train crew communication platform is probably viable, coal dust aside. After all, it appears to have been implemented successfully in airline cockpits.

'Course, we need a consultant study and multiple risk assessments first.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I must say, the idea of iPads being used as a train crew communication platform is probably viable, coal dust aside.
Watson374
Even with the issues of dust, they've made "tradie cases" for major mobile phone brands as I understand it, I have little doubt the same concept could be extended to tablet computers.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Even with the issues of dust, they've made "tradie cases" for major mobile phone brands as I understand it, I have little doubt the same concept could be extended to tablet computers.
Raichase
Already has been - My IT Teacher has one of those sort of "tough" cases for his iPad.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Raichase is correct - I was referring to Aurizon's lines.

Again, I don't have the article or any insider knowledge, my comment was based on general familiarity with some of the tools available for network operators to use.  You say the article "mentioned traffic management which could...".  Was the "which could" in the article, or your inference?  If the latter, then there would seem to be little point in Aurizon using "traffic management" software on the ARTC and CRN networks, because Aurizon don't manage the traffic!
donttellmywife
After I read the Aurizon Railway Digest article today I thought it was really about how Aurizon manage their own traffic patterns between Perth and Cairns ie how many trains a day they need for their customers and what days of the week and times of day etc they run their own trains to suit their own customers' needs.

On the other hand, the rest of this Railpage thread is more about a very different meaning of the word **control** ie how ARTC  and similar control which trains wait in what crossing loop to pass other trains eg does a freighter run by operater ABC wait at crossing loop X to pass the opposite direction trains which can be operated by a variety of operator eg passenger train or  Qube etc

The problem with the Railway Digest article on Aurizon is that it is a press release type of article so can be read several ways to please who ever reads it.

As I wrote before, after that minor predantic point, you can return to the main thread topic more concerned with network control at Broadmeadow and/or Junee etc
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
After I read the Aurizon Railway Digest article today I thought it was really about how Aurizon manage their own traffic patterns between Perth and Cairns ie how many trains a day they need for their customers and what days of the week and times of day etc they run their own trains to suit their own customers' needs.

petan
You piqued my interest.  The optimisation software vendor refers to it giving "Aurizon the ability to plan, schedule and execute optimal train movements across their complex coal supply chain operations in Queensland."

The GE press release is at http://www.getransportation.com/resources/doc_download/487-ge-transportation-signs-an-agreement-with-aurizon-.html.

Anyway, making network incident information directly available to the general public is pointless.  Those that have to interface directly with the network (operators, load-outs, ports etc) already have real time insight into what's happening, other downstream customers need some sort of interpretation of the impact of the incident for the information to be useful ("Xxxx happened.  We have cancelled your train and are running a bus instead/your container is going to be late - we'll drop it off tomorrow.")
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW


Anyway, making network incident information directly available to the general public is pointless.
donttellmywife
IMO I don't think it would be totally pointless. I would like to be informed prior if I had a 7 hour trip from Broken Hill to Dubbo booked (now 8.5 hours long due to incident). I then have the choice to go down to the station with said information get my refund to fill my car's petrol tank and carry on by car. Likewise if I'm a regular customer of containerised freight and my shipment this week will incur an extra day then being informed gives me the choice of paying premium overnight road freight. Is this being too accountable to customers? I don't know as I don't use either service...what's everyone else opinion?

With regards to operators having access real time.. are there two separate systems JHR and ARTC? Or is it an integrated online network incident database that reports on both?

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