The New Sydney Trains thread

 
  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
Rumblings and logos.
The hop is in trouble. Tennis Australia and a legal thing just went down.
We could see Sydney Trains change the logo again real soon.
T88
It's not that hard:


But in all seriousness, the "Hop" logo is deeply hideous. Even if you just change the colour of the L7 and put "Sydney Trains" under it - it's worked before.

Ms Berejiklian would not reveal what the cost of the new logo was, but said over the long term the move to replace the various transport symbols with one would reduce costs. "Within two years we will be saving money. If you go to London they have one transport brand which is recognisable throughout their entire network, the same in Paris and in other cities around the world that pride themselves on public transport," she said.
The Australian
Except that it won't, because they still have eighty-six different logos. Now they just all look the same.

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  parraeel Chief Train Controller

What is wrong with this?

  MLVD Station Master

If you google Sydney Trains it still comes up with cityrail.info
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I thought that the L7 logo was quite effective. Any more details on the tennis Australia issue?
  MILW Junior Train Controller

Location: Earth
It's not that hard:


But in all seriousness, the "Hop" logo is deeply hideous. Even if you just change the colour of the L7 and put "Sydney Trains" under it - it's worked before.

Except that it won't, because they still have eighty-six different logos. Now they just all look the same.
jb17kx
The BR logo is the best one I've seen. We got the L7 from that anyway, didn't we?
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

taking away managers where they are needed
Blackadder
Not enough staff in some areas and far too many managers in others - so many that they just sit around on >$100,000/yr causing trouble, don't help the network move a single extra passenger or gram of freight and with pay packets like that they are not helping efficiency either, but their job descriptions make them look pretty important. It really looks like the redundancies either didn't go far enough or targeted the wrong people.
  Black1050 Chief Train Controller

Location: Out of the Metrop
Not enough staff in some areas and far too many managers in others - so many that they just sit around on >$100,000/yr causing trouble, don't help the network move a single extra passenger or gram of freight and with pay packets like that they are not helping efficiency either, but their job descriptions make them look pretty important. It really looks like the redundancies either didn't go far enough or targeted the wrong people.
HeadShunt

^ 100% in agreement.  Those that have seen it know it.  The rest just jump up and down complaining about the lazy workers and how it should all be sold off to fix everything...

The change had so much potential to do good for the better of all tax payers.  It's an early call, but it seems to be destined for failure as far as anything beyond expensive window dressing goes...
  Mall Rat Beginner

The redundencies have been odd. Getting rid of NOS and having Station Managers attened low level incidnets is going to be a real headache. A lot of little to no experience with safeworking since earning the qualification moons ago.

This is not going to be a popular view, sold off. Sure costs were always going to be cut eventually, but the Unions threatening to strike on World Youth Day was the straw that broke the camels back. Holding a government to ransom like that is the reason Railcorp's will be split up and sections sold off.
  Black1050 Chief Train Controller

Location: Out of the Metrop
... This is not going to be a popular view, sold off. Sure costs were always going to be cut eventually, but the Unions threatening to strike on World Youth Day was the straw that broke the camels back. Holding a government to ransom like that is the reason Railcorp's will be split up and sections sold off.
Mall Rat

Says who?  It's one of the most popular views held by the public and of the current government.

Re the Strike threat for WYD - It was smart if opportunistic thinking, particularly as work forces these days have very LITTLE power to strike without being hit with severe legal action/consequences.  So when an opportunity occurs to get what you are rightfully entitled to from the lying and incompetent government, it would be foolish not to.  Even to this day, workers are still screwed over by that government.  Workers agreed to make various changes and cuts to meet productivity and efficiency goals to pay for the next pay rise.  Come time for the next pay rise negotiations, the government conveniently forgot about the previous agreement, and claimed they had to cap pay rises to 2.5% unless more cuts were made (this is all very simplified for general consumption, and feel free to substitute "governement" with railcorp).

And that WYD strike threat was not the straw that broke the camel's back, and holding the "government to ransom" is NOT the reason for Railcorp to be sold off.  That plan was in place LONG, LONG before WYD.  That all started when Freightcorp came into being and was then sold off.  The plan was always to sell off the passenger side as soon as it was politically palatable.

Bottom line is this whole Sydney Trains quest is just a case of privatising by stealth and misdirection.  I'd like to be wrong, but everything the ministeress announces seems to confirm this - Otherwise she'd support her workers, instead of taking every opportunity to lay the boot into them.
  MILW Junior Train Controller

Location: Earth
This is not going to be a popular view, sold off. Sure costs were always going to be cut eventually, but the Unions threatening to strike on World Youth Day was the straw that broke the camels back. Holding a government to ransom like that is the reason Railcorp's will be split up and sections sold off.
I really think you are overestimating the influence of unions on the decisions to reorganise. The unions have already been pretty well smashed by governments, business, restructures of the economy etc yet they remain a popular scapegoat for poor performance and inefficiency to be demonised by the media at every opportunity as the root of all evil in every sector of industry. Well, keep smashing the unions and see how much difference it makes. Stuff all, it will. They lose just about every maj