I trust Auscision however some other manufacturers have left me and many others very disappointed.

Auscision have the runs on the board as far as I am concerned and are the market leaders by a mile.

Have a look at how much product they have produced in the last few years and how much is coming in the next few years.
They produced the Flat Top T class unannounced so they obviously do not need the deposit/full payment income to fund their projects.
They usually do not start taking orders until they have a tooling sample so that is also an assurance for me as they have put up quite a large sum of their own money to tool the loco and it means its a definite go ahead and is not going to take years from tooling stage one would hope.
I think the main reason they encourage pre orders is to gauge the size of their production runs.
Possibly also to reduce admin they have encouraged full payment via the discounts.

Quite a few of their recent releases have sold out before arrival.
Example N cars and 42220 and some Tuscan 73 numbers all sold out before arrival.

I have no fears parting with my hard earned and pre ordering with Auscision to ensure I get the models I want and as a bonus I get them at a discount.

If you want to pay up front and take advantage of the early-bird price discount (but are concerned your money might not ultimately be "safe"), then just make sure you pay by credit card. That way you are protected by the bank that the relevant importer uses for their Merchant Services.  I used to work for the NAB and in the dim past, when Ansett Airlines went belly-up, NAB (which was Ansett's Merchant provider) had to fork-out refunds to all those people who had paid for tickets they could no longer use. Cost the "poor" buggars millions!!! No wonder credit card interest rates and fee structures are so high!!!

So, order and pay in advance with complete safety.

Roachie

I looked in to that and it only cover up to 90days from purchase. No good if a project is delayed.

Auscision site now shows N cars as available now, and my credit card has been wacked. Looks like they're on the way.

Auscision site now shows N cars as available now, and my credit card has been wacked. Looks like they're on the way.

Yes expected delivery to Auscision Wednsday with distribution to take place over next couple of days , they are in Australia only a few days till presents arrive in the mail box , Walkers are also in transit and are a couple of weeks away give or take a day or 2

Presents Bill?? I paid $400 ea set I ordered I hardly call that a present lol

I have no trouble convincing myself that all model purchases are presents, but trying to convince the Mrs seems to be impossible.

Update 12/7 - delivery of N sets, Walkers and RY/GH

I looked in to that and it only cover up to 90days from purchase. No good if a project is delayed.

I current work for nab and have done so for longer than I care to remember, but my understanding is I don't think there is a time limit of 90 days.  Any future dated credit card transaction that is not supplied as ordered is at risk of being returned to the merchant, and if they have gone belly up, then the merchant acquiring bank is then responsible to the card holder for a refund. Which is exactly as Roachie stated, what happened when Ansett went bust, NAB had a large loss and refunds to be made to card holders.  (Which happens to be the largest example of this type to date and as reported in many papers at the time) When ever nab (and I assume other bank merchants departments) now looks at merchants, especially ones that involve future dated transactions (such as gym memberships or festivals) they assess a risk of this event occurring and take steps to mitigate these risks - such as taking security )  I am not aware of any time limits

I current work for nab and have done so for longer than I care to remember, but my understanding is I don't think there is a time limit of 90 days.  Any future dated credit card transaction that is not supplied as ordered is at risk of being returned to the merchant, and if they have gone belly up, then the merchant acquiring bank is then responsible to the card holder for a refund. Which is exactly as Roachie stated, what happened when Ansett went bust, NAB had a large loss and refunds to be made to card holders.  (Which happens to be the largest example of this type to date and as reported in many papers at the time) When ever nab (and I assume other bank merchants departments) now looks at merchants, especially ones that involve future dated transactions (such as gym memberships or festivals) they assess a risk of this event occurring and take steps to mitigate these risks - such as taking security )  I am not aware of any time limits

Fair enough. I can't remember where I read it.  All the better there is no time limit.

Was just looking at Auscisions product page and noticed 49 class as a coming in 2013 item ?
They seem to have slipped that one in on the quiet.
Anyone else have any further information ?

Was just looking at Auscisions product page and noticed 49 class as a coming in 2013 item ?
They seem to have slipped that one in on the quiet.
Anyone else have any further information ?

Well spotted. Yes it has been done on the quiet. Disappointing to see this given that Trainorama had indicated they are planning a re-run of their 49s. Wonder what this means for Traino.

Tony

Well spotted. Yes it has been done on the quiet. Disappointing to see this given that Trainorama had indicated they are planning a re-run of their 49s. Wonder what this means for Traino.

Tony

More the point as to why not other diesels that have not been produced by others nor rerun or planned for? There has been over the last year or so, many asking & calling for Auscision to bring out a decent X class & other older tooled models & of late for a retooled NR.  

Makes one wonder though when all is said & done, the 45cl was also a listed TOR item for the future as well, just like some other products by others.

Maybe they have done a deal to market the SSR/CRL versions similar to the arrangement they made with Austrains when they sold the CFCLA and SSR versions of T class tacked onto Austrains production run of T class.
Time will tell I guess.

More the point as to why not other diesels that have not been produced by others nor rerun or planned for? There has been over the last year or so, many asking & calling for Auscision to bring out a decent X class & other older tooled models & of late for a retooled NR.  

Makes one wonder though when all is said & done, the 45cl was also a listed TOR item for the future as well, just like some other products by others.

Trainorama have been saying they were going to do the 45 class for at least 7 years maybe more,they also said they were going to do the WAGR L class and WBAX,VSX ...the list goes on,you name it and they said they wanted to do it.
Just because you say you want to produce a certain model does not lock out others if they think they can get their model to market first.
Talk is cheap,but put your money down to tool a model unannounced shows serious intent to produce.
The big thing here is Auscision and others actually produce what they say they are going to do.
I do not want to go here but how long has the GM locos been coming 7 plus years ? 48 class has had samples for years and still not here.
I know they have had issues in China but so have all the other manufacturers.
Maybe someone is working on the L class and X class diesels right now,someone could also be working on a much better for example 442,NR,421 or other older locos who knows.

Maybe they have done a deal to market the SSR/CRL versions similar to the arrangement they made with Austrains when they sold the CFCLA and SSR versions of T class tacked onto Austrains production run of T class.
Time will tell I guess.

Well enough people have been bugging TrainO then, I'd even go for the CRL 4911. Auscision would be easier to get the rights to make an SSR product too.....

Trainorama have been saying they were going to do the 45 class for at least 7 years maybe more,they also said they were going to do the WAGR L class and WBAX,VSX ...the list goes on,you name it and they said they wanted to do it.
Just because you say you want to produce a certain model does not lock out others if they think they can get their model to market first.
Talk is cheap,but put your money down to tool a model unannounced shows serious intent to produce.
The big thing here is Auscision and others actually produce what they say they are going to do.
I do not want to go here but how long has the GM locos been coming 7 plus years ? 48 class has had samples for years and still not here.
I know they have had issues in China but so have all the other manufacturers.
Maybe someone is working on the L class and X class diesels right now,someone could also be working on a much better for example 442,NR,421 or other older locos who knows.

Not denying that or the like, however if you check out most of the importers & do a check list of them all, they have all pretty well had "to do", crystal ball' & other such lists over the years, & that includes Auscision when they first started up there was a list there, which included the just released 422cl, & 46 as well.

The other aspect which is quite well known is that there was an unofficial understanding that each would, for want of a better word respect the others in what they had listed to do, & very much a reason why each could release their plans with a degree of certainty that each would honour each other but that went out the door when a new entry dropped an unannounced model, & affectively killed the futures list.

Certainly the ones that were most affected in China were the 3 that were using SDK, whereas those where using other factories were not affected, & with the 3 SDK importers, only 2 stayed together with the other separated, & look at the delays to the 2 importers who are still at the old factory & one of them at the new one, as bad as TOR at the new one really, especially when some models announced with coloured brochures have faded even in the darkness.  Worse still is when new releases & discounts are offered for them & they are being promised delivery before models that have been ordered, paid for & still coming for some long years.

As a result of this & realistically it was always the case that anyone can make what they want even what others are making, no legal crime in that but, at a time where there are still a lot of models that are still on the dream lists, I quess I find it hard to understand why the duplication of models still crops up, & that is across the board from all of them. Its one thing to retool & introduce a much better model than what was done years ago, but when I see the TOR 49cl, like many others who have them cannot fault them so my point regarding the other, older generation models stands.  Would much rather see models that are very much in the basic range of models retooled into todays standards, as against a model that is very much of todays standards.

At the moment we do not know much,i agree the Trainorama model of 49 is a great model and there are plenty of early austrains locos that are not up to todays standard.
There could be a deal between Auscision and Trainorama.
No mention of scale so might not even be a duplication.
As for gentlemens agreements that went out the door long before Auscision came on the scene.Lima 44 and 38 class,Austrains T class vs Powerline T class.
Powerline have produced a few wagons that others had already produced,different target market they claim.
There have been heaps of duplications over the years.
The so called big three that were at SDK factory acted like a mafia cartel ensuring no other australian manufacturer was allowed in their factory so new manufacturers such as Auscision,OTM ect had to use new factorys where there was no restriction on what models you were allowed to make.
In any other industry or buisness if the main players sat down and had a disscussion about how to divide that market up and say im doing this and you can do ( a gentlemans agreement ) that its called collusion and is a criminal offence that the accc and other federal authorites would be very interested in investigating.Competition is a good thing for consumers and im sure the manufacturers know their market well enough to know what to produce and what will sell.

At the moment we do not know much,i agree the Trainorama model of 49 is a great model and there are plenty of early austrains locos that are not up to todays standard.
There could be a deal between Auscision and Trainorama.
No mention of scale so might not even be a duplication.
As for gentlemens agreements that went out the door long before Auscision came on the scene.Lima 44 and 38 class,Austrains T class vs Powerline T class.
Powerline have produced a few wagons that others had already produced,different target market they claim.
There have been heaps of duplications over the years.
The so called big three that were at SDK factory acted like a mafia cartel ensuring no other australian manufacturer was allowed in their factory so new manufacturers such as Auscision,OTM ect had to use new factorys where there was no restriction on what models you were allowed to make.
In any other industry or buisness if the main players sat down and had a disscussion about how to divide that market up and say im doing this and you can do ( a gentlemans agreement ) that its called collusion and is a criminal offence that the accc and other federal authorites would be very interested in investigating.Competition is a good thing for consumers and im sure the manufacturers know their market well enough to know what to produce and what will sell.

The 3 that used SDK from Oz were there as the only ones from here owing to the factory having more clients than they could supply, which was part of the problem they encountered & in the end why they cut the business & many of the others out, the fact is that there were several hundred clients on their books & even the big ones were shafted. The other aspect was that SDK had affectively cut off any new clients after the last two Oz clients signed on with them.

What you might find these days is that the very same situation still exists with the factories in China, while there are a lot able to produce models, not all are capable of the quality that is now expected & accepted, & those that are in that capacity are generally not taking on new clients, even the better ones are losing clients as seen with Hornby now turning their backs on China & going back to England to produce, just like a couple of others did a few years back.  On top of that, how many of the importers are now sourcing & seeking out factories with test samples to try & shorten the delays?

The aspect of Collusion you mention, is only there if it gets out.  The biggest problem with it is the perception owing to how the big companies manipulate things, in our hobby it could happen, but I doubt if it would as there is really enough to go round for all to have, enjoy & sell. The facts are that the hobby is so wide & diverse with so many having different desires that it would be hard to find models that could be produced on a wider scale than there is now.  While nice, not every model has the potential of 20 thousand or more models, at least in the loco field, but R/S especially goods is another matter again.

No need for feuding and fussing over the TrainOrama versus Auscision 49's treading on each others toes. If you cast your minds waaaayyyyyy back to ~2005 you'll recall the first ads from TrainOrama indicated it would be the modernised 49's (such as the KL's) that would be run first, then the older ones at a later date. History showed us that the modern ones weren't done and a nice representation of original condition 49's appeared instead. The modern 49's required a completely new body tooling (I'm not sure about underframe mods), but as it stands the models made by TrainOrama can not be simply repainted to represent the liveries seen in recent times such as SSR, CRL, CFCLA, Cootes/Greentrains, etc. The TrainOrama 49's also suffer a slight problem as they now need completely new chassis tooled due to the change in motor availability, and one would expect that retooled chassis isn't going to be contemplated until other models such as the GM's and 48's are completed.

No need for feuding and fussing over the TrainOrama versus Auscision 49's treading on each others toes. If you cast your minds waaaayyyyyy back to ~2005 you'll recall the first ads from TrainOrama indicated it would be the modernised 49's (such as the KL's) that would be run first, then the older ones at a later date. History showed us that the modern ones weren't done and a nice representation of original condition 49's appeared instead. The modern 49's required a completely new body tooling (I'm not sure about underframe mods), but as it stands the models made by TrainOrama can not be simply repainted to represent the liveries seen in recent times such as SSR, CRL, CFCLA, Cootes/Greentrains, etc. The TrainOrama 49's also suffer a slight problem as they now need completely new chassis tooled due to the change in motor availability, and one would expect that retooled chassis isn't going to be contemplated until other models such as the GM's and 48's are completed.

Poath Thanks for pointing out those aspects, & worth remembering indeed.  There is a lot of water that has passed & dare I say a lot still to flow in regards to what has happened in China & is still happening.

My hope is that the Auscision version represents another type or variant of the model. That for me takes away the aspect of duplication of what is already a good model, & realistically it fits in much more with the modern type emphasise that Auscision has presented to the modelling public. Would be better to have the full details ready though at the time of the post to avoid speculation.

From the news pages of Bobs Hobbies, there has been indications that all the old models will undergo retooling to take the new motors from the factory.

Will Auscision do any re-runs on the products that have sold out? considering that the products sold out

Hi all does anyone know what the Proper Kadees Coupling number for N class

Will Auscision do any re-runs on the products that have sold out? considering that the products sold out

Well they did do a re run of the Vic GJX hoppers so one can only hope there will be other products re-run in time.

Cheers,

The blog has been updated again - N carriage stocks are getting low. Little bit surprised that VPS-5 (VR Teacup) is one of the higher sellers after sold-out VPS 8 & 9 (V/Line Tangerine & Grey):

N Pass Cars are getting very low! We only have 100 packs of N Cars remaining in stock. Some sets are down to as low as 8 packs (VPS-5, 14, & 15) and only 4 packs of VPS-16 remain.

Lets play spotto for another new product from Auscision. http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/products_page.htm ("railer", under accessories & parts)