Removal of timetable posters at stations

 
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
As I have said previously, there is a very small number of Waratah sets running around WITHOUT the new logo. Assuming there was ANY kind of difficulty involved in ensuring the logo was free from copyright infringement, then application of the logo would have ceased.

So, we have evidence that the logo continues to be rolled out across the system, and the only evidence against it is...

...what, some mealroom gossip?

I'll happily concede I'm incorrect if something appears to give factual backing to these claims, but at the moment, it's no different to my spreading a rumour that I'm really a purple dinosaur who can see through time and defecate diamonds on command.
Raichase
Have to agree with that. Being in God's Own Country, I don't get to see the logo all that often, and am unfamiliar with the rollout.

BUT, if there was any doubt, the roll-out would have stopped until it was resolved, in order to reduce the amount of damages payable if TA were to win. The more it is rolled out, the bigger the damages claim.

But then, we have all seen rail lines upgraded at a huge cost just before the lines were closed, so who knows.....

Dave

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  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Anyone seen the new logo on older sets? S,C,K,T.
Maybe I'm blinded by the diamonds that Raichase has been defacating.
All the above sets been naked for weeks.
  Highrise Assistant Commissioner

Typically there is some mention of "a lawsuit" in the media, especially given that the media has already commented on how similar the logos appeared to be. From the original story, it was not Tennis Australia having a fuss but a media outlet (obviously anti-government). Tennis Australia made no comment. As that's all that appears to have been reported on, until something concrete comes out, it seems like it's yet another false rumour spread by anti-government types looking to undermine and cause dissension.

As I have said previously, there is a very small number of Waratah sets running around WITHOUT the new logo. Assuming there was ANY kind of difficulty involved in ensuring the logo was free from copyright infringement, then application of the logo would have ceased.

So, we have evidence that the logo continues to be rolled out across the system, and the only evidence against it is...

...what, some mealroom gossip?

I'll happily concede I'm incorrect if something appears to give factual backing to these claims, but at the moment, it's no different to my spreading a rumour that I'm really a purple dinosaur who can see through time and defecate diamonds on command.
Raichase
If it is one thing I have learnt, there is always truth to a mealroom rumour, even if it is just a touch. Who's to say that the "Lawsuit" isn't just at a mediation level so that it doesn't have to go to court? Yep, the ol' "if you haven't heard a rumour by 9am, make one up" rule does apply, but I haven't seen the need for it. Plenty of the ones I have heard recently have actually had a bit of truth thrown. This one probably isn't any different.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Anyone seen the new logo on older sets? S,C,K,T.
Maybe I'm blinded by the diamonds that Raichase has been defacating.
All the above sets been naked for weeks.
T88
So no action at all on a particular type of train is enough to support rumours, but continued action on another type of train is easily dismissed? Some of you are too busy looking for straws to grasp to support your personal agendas that you forget to look at the facts.

I'll consider something is "up" when the new logo is being removed from trains, stations and uniforms. Whilst it continues to be rolled out on trains, signage, posters, uniforms and internal/external publication, I'm very unwilling to concede that there was even the slightest chance that they'd have to backtrack.

Has it not occurred to anyone that perhaps the new logo might be rolled out onto silver sets LAST, whilst the Tangara/M Set trains might be waiting to get the same treatment as the Waratahs - just because the process is in place at Auburn, doesn't mean that it is not in the process of being rolled out to other maintenence centres. Perhaps new logos will only occur as part of a CCO at Maintrain? I understand a Millennium train is in Maintrain now having a full overhaul, perhaps it will emerge looking similar to a Waratah?

However, I state again, I'm very upfront about being willing to admit I was incorrect when an official statement comes out confirming this "lawsuit". Until that happens, due to an overwhelming lack of... well, anything... to support this mealroom gossip, may I suggest people just move on with their lives, rather than perpetuating a rumour with no factual basis.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
While my knowledge of trademark law is very limited (and I'm not a lawyer) I don't see what basis Tennis Australia would have for a lawsuit.  The last time I was standing in front of a ticket vending machine I don't recall any confusion about whether I was buying a MyTrain to Central or an Australian Open entry.  That's before we start considering whether the images are really all that similar.

If I was running the advocacy/management organisation for a sport, the last thing I would want my lawyers doing is pissing off a state government unnecessarily.  You might win the odd battle, but not the war - the balance of power in any serious contest would be rather asymmetric.

What irritates me more about the various rebranding's is that they didn't reserve/haven't yet got around to squishing the various domain squatters.  That was/is silly.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Whats wrong with the L7 anyway? Its not like they have to delete any memory of it when its readily recognisable by the public.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Ewwww. Anyone noticed the opal logo is very similar to google chrome?
Lmao
  Goose Chief Train Controller

I don't recall any confusion about whether I was buying a MyTrain to Central or an Australian Open entry.  
donttellmywife

I wondered why my ticket cost $380 and said to Centre Court.

I must go to Spec savers.
  gilberations Assistant Commissioner

Location: Lithgow
Ewwww. Anyone noticed the opal logo is very similar to google chrome?
Lmao
T88
funny you should mention that...
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
So in theory if we don't see the new logo in say the next 6 months on older sets. The rumors will be true?
I'm amazed that all old logos have been removed from all sets. But yet the new logo could not be put on at the same time?

Perhaps we could call it a massive cover up by the minister?
Perhaps hush money has already been paid to TA.
Perhaps the media has been gagged?
Perhaps the sticker man was made redundant?
One would hate to speculate on a public forum.
My solution for Sydney Trains is simply decorate all trains in long lasting vinyl red tape!
LMAO.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
So in theory if we don't see the new logo in say the next 6 months on older sets. The rumors will be true?
T88
That'll prove it Rolling Eyes. Nevermind the continued use of the logo elsewhere in the company, that can just be ignored.

I'm amazed that all old logos have been removed from all sets. But yet the new logo could not be put on at the same time? Perhaps we could call it a massive cover up by the minister? Perhaps hush money has already been paid to TA. Perhaps the media has been gagged? Perhaps the sticker man was made redundant? One would hate to speculate on a public forum. My solution for Sydney Trains is simply decorate all trains in long lasting vinyl red tape! LMAO.
T88
Get our tinfoil hat from eBay, did we? Sheesh, what a load of nonsense.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Errrrrm I was being sarcastic. Lighten up champ.
Tin foil is conductive! I would not go anywhere near 1500v or 2KV with one those things on my noggin. In all seriousness, red tape would be most appropriate from where I'm sitting.
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
That is not true T88. The CityRail logos have not been removed from all trains. A minority of sets still have CityRail logos on them. Though there aren't many left.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Should I be taking photos now before they all gone?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Errrrrm I was being sarcastic. Lighten up champ.
T88
It's very hard to tell given your stringent belief in a pointless mealroom rumour when all of the evidence supporting it is missing, and evidence to the contrary is ignored. One would expect you to continue to push your anti-RailCorp/Sydney Trains agenda to the point of ridiculousness.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
@Raichase
My meal room is high in the clouds. Not that I use it. Evidence? It's been how many days or weeks since the inception of the logo to be displayed. I know things take time but this is getting ridiculous with no logos on the sets as mentioned. Even a few waratahs are floating around without markings. Uniforms, posters and other paper marketing were sorted long ago. Have you noticed that many stations are now no longer displaying marketing material in the blue information stands? No new ticket wallets. Because they have none.  My point is the majority of trains are still naked.
Your pure enthusiasm for everything you read in the print media has a agenda. Same can be said for channel seven news in regards to the transport segments. But I think we are on the same page in "believing it when I see it". As for my opinions? Coming from a military background that was economical, reliable and efficient. Sydney Trains has a lot of catching up to do. One would not guess its the same government running the show. I feel slightly insulted with your anti comment. But take it with a grain of salt and will assume your a fence sitter.
Think it's now time for me to go make a midnight toasty sandwich.
Wink
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Evidence? It's been how many days or weeks since the inception of the logo to be displayed. I know things take time but this is getting ridiculous with no logos on the sets as mentioned. Even a few waratahs are floating around without markings. Uniforms, posters and other paper marketing were sorted long ago. Have you noticed that many stations are now no longer displaying marketing material in the blue information stands? No new ticket wallets. Because they have none.  My point is the majority of trains are still naked.
T88
Again, you continue to ignore the rapid rollout of the logo across the Waratah. As for uniforms being sorted "months ago", the new uniform was only rolled out en-masse on day one of the company. Which was 22 days ago. Hardly a long time, I would think. Never mind the V Set rolling around in a shiny new colour scheme with new logos. Never mind that we've yet to see any trains come out of a major overhaul WITHOUT the new logo.

Once again, you point to a "lack of action" as evidence that something exists that does not, whilst everything else points to the contrary.

Your pure enthusiasm for everything you read in the print media has a agenda. Same can be said for channel seven news in regards to the transport segments. But I think we are on the same page in "believing it when I see it". But take it with a grain of salt and will assume your a fence sitter. Think it's now time for me to go make a midnight toasty sandwich. Wink
T88
I hardly believe everything I see in the media, I'm intelligent enough to make an informed decision with the facts at hand. I'm not continuing to use a lack of change as evidence of a rumour started by anti-government grumblers. As for your calling me a "fence sitter", if that means I review the facts before deciding on an opinion and a position, then I guess that's what I am. Beats blindly believing in a rumour with no basis in fact.

I've said it repeatedly, when an official acknowledgement of... well, anything is made by The Government, NSW Transport or the media, then I'll give some credit to this notion. Otherwise, I'll continue to dismiss it as fiction. Even with sensitive lawsuits in which the details are kept secret for legal reasons, the actual lawsuit itself is reported on, who is sueing who, over what exactly.

Now, until we see some actual hard evidence that this is nothing more than fiction started in a mealroom, can we please just let this garbage go and resume reporting on what is truth?
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Just because you don't believe in unicorns because you never seen one don't mean they are not real.
I note your a minister of railways and I'm merely a station master that no longer exists.
Hahaha.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Just because you don't believe in unicorns because you never seen one don't mean they are not real.
I note your a minister of railways and I'm merely a station master that no longer exists.
T88
The "rankings" are simply fluff that relate to how many posts a user has. I have been on these forums for a number of years, hence why my ranking is such. It doesn't mean diddly. I assume from your childish response that you're finished attempting to perpetuate a rumour without proof? In which case, I thankyou, and perhaps this thread can resume discussion of the rollout of uniforms across the remainder of the business - namely train crewing.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
This thread was originally about posters not uniforms.
Being a generous kind of bloke I will stick by my posts as stated. No logos on T,S,C,K and M sets within 6 months.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
This thread was originally about posters not uniforms.
Being a generous kind of bloke I will stick by my posts as stated. No logos on T,S,C,K and M sets within 6 months.
T88
You're right, my mistake. I had both threads open at the same time.

As for you being generous, I don't know what you're blithering on about - as I've said, show me some proof, and I'll concede that such a lawsuit exists outside a few peoples fevered dreams.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
...Sooo...does anyone have anything else to say - conspiracy theories excluded - about the disappearance of timetable posters? No? Then shut up and stop de-railing the thread.

Has anyone contacted Sydney Trains to find out what's going on? No? Then shut up until you do. Perpetuating rumours and conspiracy theories is not what this site is about.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Best thread ever! One for the bogies.
For the record I'm not aware of any stations that removed the old timetable posters. If they were it was a isolated error by station staff. New timetable posters with the Sydney Trains logo have not been distributed as yet. The only timetable posters on display are Transport NSW / Cityrail items. They have not been changed due to the new time table coming out soon. That's bleeding obvious!
As for all other posters, I note that they are new Sydney Trains items.
Hope this clarifies the subject and keeps it on topic.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Best thread ever! One for the bogies.
For the record I'm not aware of any stations that removed the old timetable posters. If they were it was a isolated error by station staff. New timetable posters with the Sydney Trains logo have not been distributed as yet. The only timetable posters on display are Transport NSW / Cityrail items. They have not been changed due to the new time table coming out soon. That's bleeding obvious!
As for all other posters, I note that they are new Sydney Trains items.
Hope this clarifies the subject and keeps it on topic.
T88
At my locality we were under strict instructions to remove the timetable posters from the area manager, my guess all because of a small logo also told not to display any timetables, brochures etc but they can be handed to passengers as they ask for them.
Interestingly the TVMs where Cityrail was previously showing near the bottom have been covered with generic NSW Government Lotus stickers.
As I say it seems a bit weird considering train crew are still in Cityrail uniforms, you still have the Cityrail network maps in trains, etc but people that get paid more than me come up with these ideas.
  Kamz Assistant Commissioner

Asquith, Mount Colah and Mount Kuring-gai still have timetable posters. It appears stations without electronic indicators have kept their timetables.

I don't think timetable posters were removed due to branding. They would have been removed regardless.

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