Flinders Street visions 'exciting, inspirational'

 

News article: Flinders Street visions 'exciting, inspirational'

Six bustling new visions for Flinders Street Station have been hailed as exciting and inspirational by industry and historical experts.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Six bustling new visions for Flinders Street Station have been hailed as exciting and inspirational by industry and historical experts.

Dean of Architecture at Melbourne University, Professor Thomas Kvan, said the major design competition would help Victorians imagine how the under-utilised and neglected space could be transformed.
Flinders Street visions 'exciting, inspirational


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well what do we all think?

Why do we even need to change the station anyhow?

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Tend to like this approach. http://vote.majorprojects.vic.gov.au/entrant/john-wardle-architects-grimshaw retail and open spaces.  I do not want to see another commercial office tower built.  I would like to keep the open spaces.

However, if given the choice, i would retain the station as is with a little upgrade and some access to other areas of the station.

Regards
Brian
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I dig the roof design and interior of the Hassell entry:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VckP3PSwVwA

Warming to the John Wardle waterfront aspect and the fact it's quite a realistic structure:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8eFeXo8ur1E

Meanwhile, Zaha Hadid seems to have been inspired by Star Trek with this mind-blowing building/spaceship:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eaAXLQyV_hQ
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Thumbs down to the 6 designs.
I have decided that 'modern' archtitecture is absolute c**p. One only has to look at Southen Cross station, Federation Square, and a handful of modern office buildings in Melbourne CBD to see where I am coming from.

All Flinders Street station needs is a total renovation of the entire station, from the building itself, to the toilets in the subway, and possibly covering of the platforms.
  nic Chief Train Controller

Location: Brisbane, QLD
As an architect and a train enthusiast I'm strongly in favor of the John Wardle + Grimshaw proposal. It, to me, is the only one that does true justice to the site and the original architectural and historical features of the flinders street/princes bridge precinct. The reinterpretation of the brick vaults is particularly clever. Second place would be the Eduardo Velasquez + Manuel Pineda + Santiago Medina option, followed by NH Architecture, Zaha Hadid, Hassell and Ashton Raggat Mcdougall in that order. Zaha Hadid's proposal is brave but perhaps too brave; ARM's is a monstrosity and Hassells isn't much better.

my five cents worth.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Why fix what isn't broken?

OK the Flinders Street interior is sadly neglected and under-used but it has also been allowed to reach that state through under-funding.

Put a roof over the platforms and the next thing will be air rights up for sale and another sky-high block hiding the trains.  

I also happen to be heartily sick of the drunken, slop-sided angles certain contemporary designs are riddled with.  Federation Square is one of the worst offenders.  The cheese straws on the Tullamarine Freeway are one of the most visible.  I work in a building where not a single interior window has a right-angle to it and all seem randomly placed with no thought as to the function of windows namely to admit light and to permit convenient vision of what lies beyond.

As such the designs proposed are at the best uncomfortable and - if they were to become reality - would most likely perpetuate the nonsense which is this "contemporary" design for which the redoubtable Mr. Bear has a shorter and far more succinct description.  With which I wholeheartedly agree.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
I feel that we would be destroying an important piece of Melbourne's history if any of these "improvements" were to go ahead. I also feel that the station would be less usable afterwards just like Melbourne Central and Spencer Street are.

Give it a coat of paint, fix the leaks in the subway, refurbish the toilets and be done with it.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I wouldn't worry about any of it, the Victorian Government has no money to fund the makeover, it is just another of those cynical exercises to jolly up the people that government dream up from time to time.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
The money would be better spent on the regional passenger network providing more rollingstock.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Personally, they should just build the original early 20th century design of the large arched roof but with modern conveniences and services.  And keep commercial interests at arms length to prevent it turning into a shopping centre as what happened at SCS:
  TheMetman Locomotive Driver

Location: gippsland
Personally, they should just build the original early 20th century design of the large arched roof but with modern conveniences and services.  And keep commercial interests at arms length to prevent it turning into a shopping centre as what happened at SCS:
Carnot
Things go out of style in the modern era of buildings after a while. Have a look at the 1960's Spencer St Station. At the time it was a contemporary design. Fast forward it 30-40 years it was ugly. Fed Squire is going down a similar path already.These ideas might go out of fashion after a few decades, unlike the 1910's buildings. However that said the old original roof design in the pic would match the style of the current buildings. And would likely not go out of fashion because Melbourne likes Victorian era architecture.


I don't like any of the 6 designs and it seems most designers aren't from Melbourne. Melbourne has it's own style and is a export of architect telent. So why do we need to turn to these designers overseas? Plus the pannel in charge of picking a winner doesn't seem to have any credentials of being a architect, a TV chief?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Thumbs down to the 6 designs.
I have decided that 'modern' architecture is absolute c**p. One only has to look at Southern Cross station, Federation Square, and a handful of modern office buildings in Melbourne CBD to see where I am coming from.

All Flinders Street station needs is a total renovation of the entire station, from the building itself, to the toilets in the subway, and possibly covering of the platforms.
xxxxlbear
All a matter of personal opinion of course.

I still find SCS to be an inspiring building as is Fed Square.

Early next year the old 1960's annexe of the Windsor hotel on the corner of Bourke & Spring St's will be knocked down to make way for a new building in a similar mould to the before mentioned buildings....Can't wait.

BTW the announced TEN YEAR timeline for the commencement of restoration of Flinders Street Stn is nothing short of appalling and won't be occurring under this Liberal/National mob, who will long since have been voted out.

Mike.
  Been_Benuane Junior Train Controller

I have to say (as a non-Australian) that I'm pretty flabbergasted about this.
One big thing Melbourne has going for it is the character it has retained from the Edwardian and Victorian eras. It's the closest thing Australasia has to the great cities of Europe.
Flinders Street station is a big part of that; it's a beautiful old building, it's so iconic and has so much character. So maybe it's a bit worn out and could do with a redevelopment. But why demolish the iconic old station? Why not a redevelopment like with those Grand old stations in those European cities?! Hasn't Melbourne learned its lesson with trying to be cutting edge and ultra-modern? No offence intended Melbournians but I think that; Southern Cross station looks like a pretentious failure, federation square is an utter eyesore and the entire Docklands development is a joke.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
You're deluded if you think Flinders Street is without problems.

The activation with the Yarra is terrible - proper redevelopment plans with rationalisation of excessive platforms would do wonders for the area.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I have to say (as a non-Australian) that I'm pretty flabbergasted about this.
One big thing Melbourne has going for it is the character it has retained from the Edwardian and Victorian eras. It's the closest thing Australasia has to the great cities of Europe.
Flinders Street station is a big part of that; it's a beautiful old building, it's so iconic and has so much character. So maybe it's a bit worn out and could do with a redevelopment. But why demolish the iconic old station?
Been_Benuane
The station will definitely NOT be demolished.

There are no plans to demolish any of the original buildings which would inevitably be incorporated into the modern make-over, or using your words...'re-development'
  Been_Benuane Junior Train Controller

The station will definitely NOT be demolished.

There are no plans to demolish any of the original buildings which would inevitably be incorporated into the modern make-over, or using your words...'re-development'
The Vinelander
HUH?!
I'm not seeing the old buildings existing in any of the offered redevelopments in this competition.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
HUH?!
I'm not seeing the old buildings existing in any of the offered redevelopments in this competition.
Been_Benuane

I guess you were not looking close enough. The retention of the old building was part of the brief to the participating architects, and in all 3 of the videos above you can see the old station building.
  TheMetman Locomotive Driver

Location: gippsland
HUH?!
I'm not seeing the old buildings existing in any of the offered redevelopments in this competition.
Been_Benuane
What you said explains why these designs would not work. If you are having problems seeing the old buildings, then the redevelopment plans failed. Meaning the new buildings would dominate too much over the extising buildings. Thus making these plans stupid and pointless.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
What you said explains why these designs would not work. If you are having problems seeing the old buildings, then the redevelopment plans failed. Meaning the new buildings would dominate too much over the extising buildings. Thus making these plans stupid and pointless.
TheMetman

Exactly, but it's not about promoting the wonderful Edwardian architecture - it's about trying to locate a developer to put the money up to pack in shops above and around the platforms.  Preferably with entrances/exits that mean a compulsory walk in and around the shops a la Melbourne Central.

The only acceptable design was the one Carnot showed earlier that was like a 'completed' version of our station so it looks like it was envisaged (think St Pancras or Victoria Station in London).  Anything else is just inviting the developers to come in and wreak the joint which is probably what they really want anyway.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
The NH design is the winner for me, does the best job of bridging the rail wasteland between Flinders Street and the Yarra, whilst not dominating the existing structures.

The brief was flawed due to the lack of platform rationalisation, which would have allowed much better integration with the river.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
What you said explains why these designs would not work. If you are having problems seeing the old buildings, then the redevelopment plans failed. Meaning the new buildings would dominate too much over the extising buildings. Thus making these plans stupid and pointless.
TheMetman

The videos you are watching were produced by the groups of architects that design theses proposals, they are hardly going to waste any expense or effort promoting the existing building. Whether the new design is dominant or not has nothing to do with that.

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