New trams to be built mostly in Melbourne

 
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
It was permitted to turn from Spencer Street into Flinders Street on a "substandard" radius curve but only under strictly controlled conditions with ground staff observing the compression and extension of components between the modules and at less than walking pace. The only reason it was allowed to make that turn was to get it onto MCG event shuttles using Simpson Street siding as a turnback. It was not permitted to make any other right-angle street-corner turns due to the radius of our older track and its greater width posing a slight risk of striking an adjacent vehicle on the opposite track. As such the exact design could not have been used in Melbourne. Just as with the Citadis trams a special "Melbourne-only" version would have had to be designed and built which I understand was considered too costly despite offers being made to have them built or assembled locally at Dandenong or Ballarat.
Gwiwer
But the Mulhouse Citadis, even though selected from another European city with a second generation tramway, doesn't seem to have the same problem with tight curves, and nor did that CombinoPlus that was demonstrated here. The Eurotram is thus much more strictly adapted to the standard LRT specifications than Citadis, let alone the Combino.

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  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Don't forget that the "Mulhouse Citadis" cars (C2 class) are confined to the 96.  I believe (and one of our active tramway staff might be able to confirm) that there are still restrictions on their operation which means no other tram is permitted to be on a curve at the same time.

The CombinoPlus demonstrator was also confined to specified sections of track and only worked in service on St. Kilda Road Grand Prix shuttles i.e. more or less straight track.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
No other tram being permitted on a curve at the same time is a pretty minor restriction compared to what applied to the Eurotram. And while both the Porto Eurotram and Mulhouse citadis are fixed bogie trams, the CombinoPlus does have bogies that turn a few degrees, that would mean fewer curve limitations.
  Tribitaka Station Master

Saw the nice new E-Class tram running down a track alongside the South Morang rail line today (in fact a lovely new x-trap as well) just after the preston work shops.
My god it is huge!!
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Well, Yarra Trams appear to have let E.6001 roam a bit around the network this morning according to this articles - and they have got the pictures to prove it! Maybe they might let it do some daylight runs as well.

http://www.yarratrams.com.au/media-centre/news/articles/2013/tram-6001-begins-testing/
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Looks like E.6001 is now running from Southbank Depot, at least evidenced by this photo on VicSig: http://www.vicsig.net/photo/16813.  And, during my travels on the Cranbourne line this afternoon, I spotted what I believe to be E.6002 on the Bombadier tramway test track! It was around 3.40pm when I passed the factory, and the tram was halfway out of the shed at the end of the test track with lights lit. It's good to see! Maybe another E class will be heading to Preston soon.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I went down to Southbank depot toady but didn't see it.
  Revenue Chief Commissioner

I got to see the new tram at Southbank on Tuesday. It really does look great.  Smile   The seating configuration is certainly better suited to shorter routes like 96 - I'm not sure that it would be well received on longer routes like 86 or 75.  When you see it along side a Z you do realise how far we have come in Melbourne.   Smile
  scrat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Fitzroy North
Don't let the seating layout fool you Revenue, it actually has 64 seats, which gives it a larger seating capacity than D2 (58 ) and C2 (56) trams, only a B has more with 76, but no where near the standing room. It should be very able and suitable on any Melbourne route (capacity wise at least).

Liam.
  Revenue Chief Commissioner

That's interesting Scrat...and it raises an interesting point about perception vs reality.  While it might only have 12 fewer seats than a B class, I think the perception might be that it has a much bigger differential. In other words, if you were to run an E class on the 86 then people might think "The old trams had much more seats".  So there's a perceptional issue at play here, in addition to what the actual seating capacity it.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
From viewing the new photos on VicSig, it appears that tram E.6002 has been delivered to Preston workshops. The new tram PT> livery has been applied, together with some wording on the side of the tram, which is not possible to make out due to the angle of the photo.
http://www.vicsig.net/photo/16896

  Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

Location: FL390
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  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I see that that photo would have been taken at preston workshops.
  scrat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Fitzroy North
E 6001 was out and about on the network a couple of weeks ago, performing clearance testing.

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In St Georges Road.

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At St Vintents Plaza.

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E 6001 and W6 971 checking clearance at the corner of Spencer Street and La Trobe Street.

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E 6001 rounding the corner from Spencer St into La Trobe.

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E 6001 in La Trobe St.

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E 6001 and W6 971 checking clearance at the corner of Spencer Street and La Trobe Street.



Liam.
  connexwest Deputy Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
Due to unexpected issues, I've been lead to believe there hasn't been a lot of testing of 6001 recently.
  Z181 Chief Train Controller

Location: Mernda
E6001 was out the front of Kew Depot last night (14th Aug) at 10:20pm
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I spotted the two of them (6001 & 6002) lined up next to each other on Tuesday (13/8 ) at Preston Workshops as I was driving down St Georges Rd.
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Due to unexpected issues, I've been lead to believe there hasn't been a lot of testing of 6001 recently.
connexwest
Do we have any idea what these issues are/were?
  connexwest Deputy Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the World's Biggest Divvy Van
Do we have any idea what these issues are/were?
Boss

Not really surprisingly, it derailed either going into or out of Southbank Depot- possibly the east gate entrance.
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Not really surprisingly, it derailed either going into or out of Southbank Depot- possibly the east gate entrance.
connexwest
Thanks. I guess we don't have any photos?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
It's in good company there then.  Half the fleet has derailed at some time or another at the Southbank gates Wink
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Saw this tram out on the 86 a few days ago. It was right behind me in fact. Looks good.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
As I was passing the Bombadier factory this morning at 8am on the train I saw what I assumed to be E.6003 beginning a day of testing on the test track. I saw it again in the afternoon from the train window at around 3.40pm as I was travelling home from work. Looks like a third tram will be joining the other two soon!
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
They also appear to be spending a bit of time down Glenhuntly way.

They have been in and out of the depot more than a dozen times. Something to to do with testing the breaking in the area.....
  NR1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Warrnambool
I saw one in La Trobe St crossing Elizabeth St on the 24th at Midday. quite a lucky find because i dont live in Melbourne and thought i'd have a ride out to Airport West and have a look at the hobby shop!!! any more news, regarding when they will come into service????

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