Moderation and Political Agenda

 
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
I have been a long time reader of this forum but only recently started to voice my opinion.
I have noticed many of my posts removed without a message from mods or admin. Bit rude if you ask me.
Forums these days are becoming ghost towns. Not just this place but a few other big online places.
Sometimes I get the feeling that this forum has its own political agenda and alliance.
Sure I might have struck a nerve on a few things. But I feel my posts still had substance. Forums need members to keep them alive. Perhaps I should go back to sitting in the shadows and just laugh it off?
Constructive feedback welcome?

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  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well you had one post deleted as a result of having the post reported. The post was deleted by another moderator. I closed the report that should have generated a PM to you and the reporter of the post. I assume you did not get the post. Te post was deleted because it was too harsh in langue used, we thought at the time it is a  railway indistry person, perhaps no longer in the industry, as it was sort of the hard working slang that might be used, but not acceptable here. Also since we haven't the time to verify every user we took the action just to delete it and leave it at that. If we were more worried you would have got a warning. Yoiu didn't and have continued to post.

The warning FAQ, The rules for posting and terms of use should be read by all - see the help option, go and have a read when you have time.

As to agendas etc. There is nothing conscious here at Railpage. We are a very different and I cannot honestly think of any purpose other to stop fights, flames, bullies, trolls, spammers, overt polictics/reporters.  Railpage has changed over the years as people come and go, moderators come and go, and issues come and go.

I assume this will not answer your questions, but it is a start.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Forums these days are becoming ghost towns. Not just this place but a few other big online places.
T88
Yes, they are - But it is nothing to do with the moderation of said sites.

People are moving over to places like Facebook and Twitter to get their information in Real Time, and as such there is less of a dependance on forum sites.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
I have been a long time reader of this forum but only recently started to voice my opinion.
I have noticed many of my posts removed without a message from mods or admin. Bit rude if you ask me.
Forums these days are becoming ghost towns. Not just this place but a few other big online places.
Sometimes I get the feeling that this forum has its own political agenda and alliance.
Sure I might have struck a nerve on a few things. But I feel my posts still had substance. Forums need members to keep them alive. Perhaps I should go back to sitting in the shadows and just laugh it off?
Constructive feedback welcome?
T88
As per our long-established Rules for Posting:

If a post in the incident thread that breaks the rules outlined here - or in other RP policies - is deleted, Railpage reserves the right to delete or edit posts referring to any deleted posts in order to avoid disjointed discussion.

There is no obligation of RP staff to inform the author of the post that their post has been deleted.
You may also be issued a warning. Posting "why was my post edited/deleted?" etc. will only make matters worse so please don't.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
PM replied.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
My complaint is about moderation as well and I have to say that I am disappointed that one of the moderators was able to action a report against himself and produce a "no result" it would be called corruption in the "real" world! Apologies... but I feel strongly about this.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
Ever seen an unmoderated site? I wonder if Aus.rail is still going!

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  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
My complaint is about moderation as well and I have to say that I am disappointed that one of the moderators was able to action a report against himself and produce a "no result" it would be called corruption in the "real" world! Apologies... but I feel strongly about this.
Spiritman
I've only just seen this, so I'll respond.

One thing that you forget is that Railpage is a privately owned website, of which the forum is part of that. This means that it is not a democracy, and is a dictatorship. If the admins/moderators of these forums don't like what you post, then it is actually their prerogative to delete your comment(s) without consultation; lock a thread, or respond to any report against them - especially one as trivial as your's was, or even ban people from the site if need be.

Your membership here is a privilage, not a right.

Also, a mistake a lot of people seem to make is that admins/moderators are not allowed to have an opinion on anything, and have to remain impartial when commenting on things within a topic. This is a load of rubbish. Admins/Mods are allowed to express opinions as well as you are. If I think that you're behaving like a foamer, then I'll damn well tell you that you are. Likewise, I'll tell you if what you post is a load of bollocks.

The sooner some people get over their misconseptions about the way admins/mods should behave on this site, the better.
  sydnytrains Chief Commissioner

Location: McDonalds Front counter serving customers
Well provided it hadn't been for the mod/admin team, I would've still been this type of sydnytrains featured in these threads that dates back to March and September 2011.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11360813.htm
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1583037.htm

Seriously, the admin/mod team is here for a reason. If you don't like then its your problem. Their duty is keep this site nice and clean for everyone. If you post sh1t, then yes, the staff do have a right to delete it, warn you or even ban you. And if you're not happy with the site in general, then leave.

I personally think the staff of RP are fine the way they are compared to other forum staff. Be happy they moderate the site properly, otherwise this place will be foamed out to the point of suffocation (not really, but you get my point).

That's my 2c worth.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I was a long-time observer (several years) before I actually joined a few years ago.  I feel in that time that the quality of the moderation has probably increased, particularly with people who have obvious issues with bad language or flaming of other people for trivial reasons.

There was one former member (who shall remain nameless) who relentlessly flamed other people who may have disagreed with him and toward the end the insults were getting really personal and nasty.  A shame because he was obviously an industry insider who seemed to possess quite an encyclopaedic knowledge of the rail industry but he also had issues with people who didn't agree with him or whom he considered to be below his intellect.

There was a definite point at which his insults became too much and I'm not aware of the precise circumstances of his banning but it was obvious that it was headed in that direction.  In my opinion the aforementioned member had significant personal issues (anger) that he was taking out on other people but you just can't behave however you like on the internet any more, those wild west days of the 1990's are long gone now.

I for one am really happy that RP remains a place of reasonable civilised discussion even if you do get occasional dribble from silly people (just like real life!).
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
I was a long-time observer (several years) before I actually joined a few years ago.  I feel in that time that the quality of the moderation has probably increased, particularly with people who have obvious issues with bad language or flaming of other people for trivial reasons.

There was one former member (who shall remain nameless) who relentlessly flamed other people who may have disagreed with him and toward the end the insults were getting really personal and nasty.  A shame because he was obviously an industry insider who seemed to possess quite an encyclopaedic knowledge of the rail industry but he also had issues with people who didn't agree with him or whom he considered to be below his intellect.

There was a definite point at which his insults became too much and I'm not aware of the precise circumstances of his banning but it was obvious that it was headed in that direction.  In my opinion the aforementioned member had significant personal issues (anger) that he was taking out on other people but you just can't behave however you like on the internet any more, those wild west days of the 1990's are long gone now.

I for one am really happy that RP remains a place of reasonable civilised discussion even if you do get occasional dribble from silly people (just like real life!).


don_dunstan
Agreed! A good observation, Don. Like you I don't mind the occasional dribble post, but the arrogant, self-righteous "tear the dribbler to bits" type posts spoil it, IMO.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Sometimes the arrogant, self righteous "tear the dribbler to bits" answers are needed though when a poster asks the same question over and over in a thread just worded differently each time hoping to get the answer that he wants. It is not going to happen though and then thank God the moderators on here got rid of this one for us. A little bit went a long way and in the end banning them was the best move. I have nothing against questions or a discussion getting a bit heated though, just as long as it does not boil over or turn into nasty personal attacks on someone. Merely pointing out the other side of the story though should be allowed to get the full picture as to what is happening. You cannot prosecute a person till you have both sides of the story really. Then you have to make a decision as to who you think is telling the truth, to jump to a conclusion though is just a lynch mob mentality at the best of times.


Also one must tolerate different people who have different ways of expressing themselves, some come across as arrogant etc when all they are doing is trying to find out something, we are not all Einstein's though. I have had a run in with someone on here but I do not hate him or something worse, it is just his way of cutting through the bull, to be a bit out spoken and full frontal, it is just something that has to be put up with though as if we were all the same this board would be extremely boring at the best of times. Some nights you get better entertainment on here than you get on the box at home. Trolls and those that pester the members on here though when told to back off or something, I have no time for at all if they will not change their spots. So I try to make it look subtle while still having a go at them a bit. Yes I can be like this above too at times can't we all!
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Rule 1.

This is a private party and to stay in the house you play by the host's rules.

Rule 2.

The host may apply such rules as they determine and those may change arbitrarily at any time.

Rule 3.

If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen.

Rule 4.  

If you can live with 1 - 3 then enjoy and make the most of one of the largest and best-informed sites of its kind anywhere.  Occasional foamers and trolls notwithstanding.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Agreed! A good observation, Don. Like you I don't mind the occasional dribble post, but the arrogant, self-righteous "tear the dribbler to bits" type posts spoil it, IMO.
L1150
Exactly my point! Only it was an "arrogant, self righteous" moderator responding to an innocent "dribble" which I reported, but since I don't care much for "arrogant, self righteous" types, I'll not have anything further to say on the subject.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Exactly my point! Only it was an "arrogant, self righteous" moderator responding to an innocent "dribble" which I reported, but since I don't care much for "arrogant, self righteous" types, I'll not have anything further to say on the subject.
Spiritman
Excuse me, but how was I being arrogant, and self righteous?

Your report was simple bandwagon jumping by someone who is far too easily offended. The report simply was not necessary. Posting foamer like questions in a thread about people losing their jobs is simply not on. Where was the respect, and compassion towards those affected (many of whom are members here)? Did you even notice or consider that, or simply go for the "Oh no! A moderator called someone a foamer" button?

I acted well within my rights as a moderator when dealing with the situation. Read my previous post again, and let it sink in. If you don't like it, please feel free to exit via any door you choose. It's as simple as that.

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