J550 leaving Warragul?

 
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p

From their Facebook page:
Noojee and District Historical Society


The J class did run the line to Noojee at one stage.



Where's the proof?

The first J entered service on 19 March 1954 according to Vicsig and according to Wikipedia (assuming its correct), the line closed on 27 March 1954 with the last movements over the line on 3 March 1954.

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  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Maybe a J hauled the rail recovery train...? Razz
  244hseriesalco Chief Train Controller


Maybe a J hauled the rail recovery train...? Razz
"Barrington Womble"


On the rail recovery note, it seems that Victoria has pulled up alot more of its rail network then most of the main land states. What is the difference down there compared to say NSW where parts of the network have been closed or 'service suspended' and just simply been left to rot rather than been recovered/pulled up.

Sorry in advance for the slighty off topic question.

Regards

244h

  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Rail is worth money to scrap merchants, or is re-used elsewhere.
Not sure about lines that were pulled up in the 1950's and before that; but anything pulled up from the late '60's onwards was sold as scrap.
  MaskedRailfan Train Controller


Would it be fair to say J's worked the line when it was still open to Neerim South (I think that's the place)? You could have probably heard them from Noojee??!!

Good luck to them!! Hopefully it gets a good coat of paint and a roof over the top!!

  PE Chief Train Controller




Maybe a J hauled the rail recovery train...? Razz
"Barrington Womble"


On the rail recovery note, it seems that Victoria has pulled up alot more of its rail network then most of the main land states. What is the difference down there compared to say NSW where parts of the network have been closed or 'service suspended' and just simply been left to rot rather than been recovered/pulled up.

Sorry in advance for the slighty off topic question.

Regards
244h

"244hseriesalco"


Money, but in different ways depending on when.



Certainly back in the 1950s/early 60s much of the rail was reused as there was still hundreds of miles of 60D rail in use that was or would be in need of replacement, particularly on curves or even 60C rail to be replaced. Also if you go around the state or just the metropolitan system you see 60D fences and whistle board posts everywhere.



The VR was big on recycling as it saved money to reuse the asset you already had.



Skip forward to the 1980s, that's a different story. Although the branchline network in Victoria was closed from the mid 1970s through to the mid 1980s all the track remained in situ until 1988, when within a period of 6 months all were tendered for Purchase, Salvage and Removal.



Why, the State was broke (think Greece). So what do you do when you find yourself in such a situation, liquefy assets.



The State got $300,000 for the Daylesford line between Carlsruhe and Bullarto and against popular belief the money was in the sleepers, not rail as in most cases a large Melbourne garden supply firm won the tenders.

  PE Chief Train Controller


Maybe a J hauled the rail recovery train...? Razz
"Barrington Womble"


Yes, Js ran most of the rail recovery trains

  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Yes, Js ran most of the rail recovery trains
PE
To Noojee I meant.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

J532 ran rail recovery trains from Warragul to Nayook In 1958

A Walker railmotor ran to Nayook In 1957

Farewell Nayook train ran by J521 on the 27/09/1958

Nayook to Noojee closed 27 March 1954, (condition of the 7 large bridges)

It's fair to say a J never visited Noojee.

  AJW Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
I was very young, but J's were running in the valley behind my Auntie's home in Warragul North - on the Noojee line, but I know it was probably to Nayook.  It was in the 50's and I am old, but not that old - must be late 50's.
  Ganger Locomotive Fireman

Oil burning J-class locos operated many Nayook dismantling trains during May and June in 1961: the engines being J532, J539 and J553. D3 680 was also used on these trains. The Noojee & District Historical Society's website is an interesting read and one thing must be said about their activities.....they are not short of ideas! Apart from building a replica station area and timber milling precinct they do in fact want to re-lay railway track from the station site down to and just beyond the existing trestle bridge (which I believe is referred to as No. 7 on a Down journey). Although not explicitly stated, this would suggest that their intention is to run a train between the two points. They also highlight the premise that J550 is an example of one of the better preserved VR steam locos for restoration purposes and illustrate this point by comparing its condition to K162 at Yarragon. Strange though, they refer to J550 as "iconic" to the area. As far as I can determine, 550 was a Geelong engine when issued to traffic. It was stored at Newport in the late 1960's and ended its days with occasional use in the Bendigo district. When indeed it did venture east of the capital, it was a non-operational exhibit at Mirboo North and most likely never ventured north of Warragul. Anyway, J550 has been re-located to a comfortable panel of track at Noojee and Walt Disney is quietly thawing somewhere in the bush ready to assume the mantle of Project Supremo of this mountain adventure land.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy

They also highlight the premise that J550 is an example of one of the better preserved VR steam locos for restoration purposes and illustrate this point by comparing its condition to K162 at Yarragon.
"Ganger"


Is this an expert opinion or wishful thinking?
Does anyone know the location of the Money Tree at Noojee?

  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

One of the better locos to restore? Are they serious?
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p



They also highlight the premise that J550 is an example of one of the better preserved VR steam locos for restoration purposes and illustrate this point by comparing its condition to K162 at Yarragon.
"Ganger"


What's so great about it? As I understood it, most of the good parts have been removed from the loco over the years and it's effectively just a shell.

Also, considering there are established tourist railways in the Gippsland region at Korumburra and Walhalla, along with the ones closer to Melbourne at Mornington, Belgrave and Healesville, could eastern Victoria really support another one?

I think the plans for a heritage centre at the old Noojee station site are fair enough and good luck to them on their plans, but any talk of running trains to the bridge are really pie in the sky stuff.

  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned

You know, I was thinking that the other day. I like the idea of the loco as a static display in a recreated station scene - even if the "iconic" J550 or any other J never went there. The idea of the J sitting at the head of a re-created branchline goods as a static museum piece, in a recreated station yard is a good one.

I think the Noojee mob are in for a very rude shock when it comes time to operate a train, or attempt to. The amount of red tape, and accreditation they will have to wade through to get it to operate the short distance to the trestle will surely put the mockers on things. I suspect that they aren't fully aware of what they're in for, and that they're viewing the venture as operating some sort of full sized train set. It also beggers the question: is the means worth the end?

- Restoring a locomotive to operation costs an absolute motzer (steam or diesel); where is the money coming from?
- Acquisition and/or manufacture of the many parts missing from J550. Where; whom, and how much?
- Acquisition of suitable passenger rollingstock, and it's restoration to passenger carrying service.
- Construction of appropriate buildings for the housing, and maintenance of locomotive(s) and rollingstock.
- Watering and fuelling facilities for locomotives - if fuel oil is to be used, does the fuelling area need to be bunded?
- Planning permits for buildings etc.
- Acquisition of track - this includes rail; sleepers; ties/spikes, and ballast.
- Who does the perway belong to? Does it need to be leased or purchased?
- Perway restoration - clearing of vegitation; restoration of drains; grading etc.
- Laying of track to a standard which enables passenger trains to operate.
- Restoration of the trestle to acceptable load bearing standards.
- Accreditation to operate passenger trains.
- Accreditation for locomotive(s) and rollingstock.
- Satisfying the regulators that standards have been met (PTV, Worksafe et al).
- Training of volunteers/staff in the safe operation of a railway (drivers, signalmen et al).
- Public Liability Insurance.
- Ongoing maintenance costs of both above, and below rail assets.

I am sure that others out there would be able to add more to the list above. When you think about it, that's an awful lot of money and time to spend on a train going around 3km, and returning (that also makes me wonder if and where the loco will run around for the return journey). Noojee isn't exactly a tourist hub either, so one must ask how many people would they expect to pay for a ride on operating days, or indeed how many operating days they would actually run per month? I don't think they have seriously thought all of this through.

Whilst the idea is a lovely one, and hits the warm and fuzzy bone; it's not very realistic at all.

  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Oil burning J-class locos operated many Nayook dismantling trains during May and June in 1961: the engines being J532, J539 and J553. D3 680 was also used on these trains. .
"Ganger"


The book I have quotes the rail recovery trains running to Nayook In the late 50's, did they take their time dismantling the line ?
Was theses trains run to Nayook to recover the Nayook - Noojee rail (that were probably removed by tractor, truck, crane, etc to Nayook for loading on to rail recovery train)

Pictures show the loco's ran tender first ex Warragul, so the Nayook or Neerim South turntables were ether was out of service/removed at the time, or dismantling had advanced South of Neerim South.
  warzy7 Chief Train Controller

The only thing that I can think 550 did that was "iconic" was the last steam train to visit Cohuna....
Other than that it was an oil buring J same as the other 29 of its class....  

Its now displayed with a tender without oil tank also, just another thing to replace

:-S
  Ganger Locomotive Fireman

The trains run after the line closed were possibly provided initially in a recovery sense for the section beyond Nayook. Film footage taken around 1957/58 shows the line beyond Nayook still intact, although obviously abandoned due to the destruction of the trestle bridge (number 2 on the Down?). It is fascinating all these years later to read of clearly made inferences that the bridge was deliberately sabotaged by road interests - these inferences being derived even from the Noojee & District Historical Society and former VR Drivers of the period. The dismantling trains of 1961 were to recover dismantled right-of-way and other items from Nayook back twoards Warragul. I thoroughly recommend this line to prospective railway ramblers keen to discover relics from the past; for example, the Neerim South Bowling Club building incorporates part of the former Nayook station building. Travel down Le Page Road at Neerim South and see the site of a ballast pit line, with the formation of a Y-shaped junction in the main line and pit on an adjacent hill (immediately on the Up side of a bridge site). The turntable pivot from Neerim South has been re-located to the town itself and at least its interpretive sign is accurate in describing its former employment. After reading Barrington Womble's previous post, I do agree, a static display would be very attractive. A working locomotive and train, well, thank you linesmen, thankyou ball boys - game, set and match.
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
It's still great to see a steam locomotive being removed from plinth in a park and moved to a heritage group.

What other motive power besides the J's, operated to Noojee?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Steam loco's

V Class
K Class
N Class
D3 Class

But not the J Class (to Nayook yes but not to Noojee)
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
Passed through Noojee on Friday on the way to Mt. Baw baw and noted J550 nicely painted up sitting on a short length of track. Unfortunately didn't have my camera with me. The camera in my mobile phone is too woeful to be putting its offerings on the web!  If there is any snow up at Baw Baw in a couple of weeks time I will remember to take my camera and get a shot on my way through.Very Happy

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