Centurion Cattle

 
  Thumpa Chief Train Controller

Location: That's on a need to know basis.
Hello all,

SDS have just taken delivery of their BCW cattle wagons and, Centurion Tanks.
They certainly look the goods, well done to the team at SDS.



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  bjviper Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisvegas
Nice.  Time to place an order for some cattle wagons me thinks Smile
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Might order some Centurions would look good loaded on some flat cars. Just for something a little different. I know NSW had special flatcars to transport these tanks around the place these were the old TE flat cars but what would be used on other systems to transport these tanks if needed, I am talking about pre standard gauge across Australia here. Mainly about Victoria and South Australia. I would hazard a guess and say maybe the ex SAR FB flat cars would be used here. But have not got any idea really. Anyone know for sure.
  t_woodroffe Assistant Commissioner

The ex S Class steam locomotive underframes were converted to Q later QH flat trucks and were used for transporting Centurion tanks amongst other things. VR Drg 15117 dated 28-9-56 shows the loading arrangement of a Centurion tank on a QH wagon. I doubt if the FB could take the 50 tons of a Centurion but they were widely used in WW2 for transportation of M3 Grant tanks.

TW
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I just checked up and the FB types of the SAR some were rated to carry 50 tons as they could transport one complete Garrett unit from a SAR 400 class, these were the FL class and some of the others in the FB classes were also uprated to 50 ton capacity to carry greater payload. I do not know what numbers in the FB class were uprated though. But thanks for the answer about the Victorian Railways anyway.
  Floody Locomotive Driver

The ex S Class steam locomotive underframes were converted to Q later QH flat trucks and were used for transporting Centurion tanks amongst other things. VR Drg 15117 dated 28-9-56 shows the loading arrangement of a Centurion tank on a QH wagon. I doubt if the FB could take the 50 tons of a Centurion but they were widely used in WW2 for transportation of M3 Grant tanks.

TW
t_woodroffe

S Class tender underframes. [size=2][size=2]http://www.victorianrailways.net/freight/freight%20pages/qh/qh.html[/size][/size]
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
This pic from the SDS website might help those building a VR train of army vehicles.

  The railway dog Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide Hills
Lots of stuff here about tanks, but what about loads for the other vehicles, namely cattle? I'm trying to find some decent & cheap moocows to fit in cattle trucks. They can't be metal as the vehicle will be too heavy & the only plastic figures I can find in bulk packs are unrealistically huge. Any ideas?
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Anyone doing the CQTY and Aussie Abrams tank QuestionIdea
  bjviper Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisvegas
Tanks + Cows = Cows with Guns



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE
  a6et Minister for Railways

Lots of stuff here about tanks, but what about loads for the other vehicles, namely cattle? I'm trying to find some decent & cheap moocows to fit in cattle trucks. They can't be metal as the vehicle will be too heavy & the only plastic figures I can find in bulk packs are unrealistically huge. Any ideas?
The railway dog

Interesting dilemma really as its easier to find HO sheep than cattle.

Kerroby do some but all in WM,  I have a pack of Brahmans that I want to get rid of though, they are not bad productions, & painted ok.

Go to the Walthers web sight & do a search for Beef Cattle, I think that's about the best place.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Interesting dilemma really as its easier to find HO sheep than cattle.

Kerroby do some but all in WM,  I have a pack of Brahmans that I want to get rid of though, they are not bad productions, & painted ok.

Go to the Walthers web sight & do a search for Beef Cattle, I think that's about the best place.
a6et

What about?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170966046974

This whole discusion sounds like a load of bull...        Cool

Paul
  Hendo Deputy Commissioner

Hello all,

SDS have just taken delivery of their BCW cattle wagons and, Centurion Tanks.
They certainly look the goods, well done to the team at SDS.



Thumpa
Make sure you cut off the two radio antenna before loading them on trains. You will also need muzzle covers for the barrels and make sure the turret is turned to the rear when loaded with the barrel depressed over the barrel clamp (assuming the barrel clamp is moulded on)

Cheers,
Hendo
  ajbrown Junior Train Controller

Make sure you cut off the two radio antenna before loading them on trains. You will also need muzzle covers for the barrels and make sure the turret is turned to the rear when loaded with the barrel depressed over the barrel clamp (assuming the barrel clamp is moulded on)

Cheers,
Hendo
Hendo

Will they be sound ready??

Allan Brown
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Will they be sound ready??

Allan Brown
ajbrown

Yes, they come with sound effects of all that rubbish pommy engineering failing and breaking Twisted Evil
  Hendo Deputy Commissioner

Yes, they come with sound effects of all that rubbish pommy engineering failing and breaking Twisted Evil
TheBlacksmith
Que? According to tankies of the time the Centurion was a superb tank
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Que? According to tankies of the time the Centurion was a superb tank
Hendo
Yeah, they were OK, I just don't like pommy built gear.
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Yes, they come with sound effects of all that rubbish pommy engineering failing and breaking Twisted Evil
TheBlacksmith
Do they leave oil stains behind as well?

Wayne
  Thumpa Chief Train Controller

Location: That's on a need to know basis.
Yeah, they were OK, I just don't like pommy built gear.
"TheBlacksmith"


What are your views on second hand M1 Abrams used in the Australian Defence force.
  Thumpa Chief Train Controller

Location: That's on a need to know basis.
What are your views on second hand M1 Abrams used in the Australian Defence force.
"Thumpa"


Here is a little irony on the subject of transporting tanks for the ADF or, the lack off...
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/m-abrams-tanks-in-the-wars/story-e6frfkp9-1111112254964
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
CRIKEY! I thought this post must have been about ancient roman cows...!!!! Shocked



Might order some Centurions would look good loaded on some flat cars. Just for something a little different. I know NSW had special flatcars to transport these tanks around the place these were the old TE flat cars but what would be used on other systems to transport these tanks if needed, I am talking about pre standard gauge across Australia here. Mainly about Victoria and South Australia. I would hazard a guess and say maybe the ex SAR FB flat cars would be used here. But have not got any idea really. Anyone know for sure.
David Peters



David,

The SAR converted six FB flat wagons to FBT. They were widened to 10' with a wider deck and the deck extensions had numerous strengthening gussets under the deck.

Whether they ever carried Centurions, I can't say, but they could have technically.

Much to my complete amazement, one still exists at Port Augusta (two months ago at least) and three others were about at least till two years ago.

Cheers,

Dan
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
CRIKEY! I thought this post must have been about ancient roman cows...!!!! Shocked






David,

The SAR converted six FB flat wagons to FBT. They were widened to 10' with a wider deck and the deck extensions had numerous strengthening gussets under the deck.

Whether they ever carried Centurions, I can't say, but they could have technically.

Much to my complete amazement, one still exists at Port Augusta (two months ago at least) and three others were about at least till two years ago.

Cheers,

Dan
SA_trains
Yes they were used to transport truck trailers I think like the US and later AN type of thing TOFC, hmm now I am definately have to be going to get some I have several of these flatcars as models that could use a load. I am amazed though that one still exists though in this day and age. Thanks for that.
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
Here is a little irony on the subject of transporting tanks for the ADF or, the lack off...
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/m-abrams-tanks-in-the-wars/story-e6frfkp9-1111112254964
Thumpa
AHHHhhhhhhh....... sadly, that's not the funniest limitation on the movement of these MBT. Unfortunately, not one that I can share. Yes I know that is a bit of a tease, and I do apologise.

However, in answer to your question, it is quite clear that the M1A1 Abrams is a world class MBT that is in-service and has been used in battle.  They can be moved by rail (albeit in the Darwin/Adelaide corridor) on the specially commissioned CQTY flat wagons. The Army also has special trailers to move the Abrams. They can also be moved by the RAAF in the C-17 aircraft but only one at a time. The RAN can also move large numbers in their amphibious lift capability.
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
"What are your views on second hand M1 Abrams used in the Australian Defence force."

Like everything complex "it depends". If you agree that the ADF needed a tank regiment as opposed to say self propelled guns to do the job then they were a good decisi
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
"What are your views on second hand M1 Abrams used in the Australian Defence force."

At the risk of veering more off topic for these great models...

Like everything complex "it depends". If you agree that the ADF needed a tank regiment as opposed to say self propelled guns (somewhat my view) to do the job then they were a good decision.

It is worth noting that the M1A1 is far from the premier MBT today (the M1A2 + some mods, leopard 2, challenger and Merkova are all clearly superior). It is also worth noting that in open bids for new tanks basically everyone who is not buying US hardware with "donations" from the US government buys (or upgrades to Leopard 2s) (including the Canadians).

That being said the Australian government was looking for a second hand package and basically most countries had started decommisioning their Leopard 2s in the 90s after the fall of the Berlin Wall whereas the US kept its M1A1s in very good shape (possibly some lessons from the RAN purchases had been learnt by this time) and offered a very attractive overall package (including support vehicles). IIRC the next package under consideration was a bunch of clapped out Swedish Leopards 2s which would likely have saved even more fuel than the standard Leopard diesel vs M1 turbine comparison as they probably wouldn't have done a whole lot of running.

Interoperability is also extremely important and Australia is unlikely to be fighting with the Bundeswehr or the Canadians overseas and it's a safe bet that neither of those forces would be sailing to Australia to help; if someone came it would be the US Marines.

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