Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
True all being well, but they did not state with what though, try diesel electric railcars here till they get the electrics right there is bound to be one or two problems with them that will need sorting out also drivers need to be trained in handling them as well.
David Peters
Last I heard was that it will reopen to Noarlunga Centre and the new section will be opened latter after they have enough drivers trained and the new cars are run in as part of the warranty arrangements. i think I may have mention before that I wouldn't rule out  that prior to the official opening of the new section that they have an open gala type day/weekend where they give free rides back and forth over the bridge. Around Xmas early New year would fit nicely.

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  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

But they did state that diesel services would be running on the line till early next year from September I've seen them in various notices they publish on their site also

http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/seaford/seaford_rail_extension

This is their timeframe for the line (Scroll down a bit to see the timeline)
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
A timeline though is just an idea when it might open though, there could be an earthquake or something else that happens that could affect that time projection. Nothing can really be put into concrete, all being well it might come about but if something does not go as planned then they will have to fix it before doing anything else. You don't want something to collapse under your train say as you go over it or something do you. I would rather wait a couple of more weeks and they get it right first up rather than do a repeat of the Belair line reopening and rush it to completion just to keep a few whingers happy. Do the job right first up and you should have only very minor problem's, rush it and it will come back to bite you in the end.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

After the Belair Line debacle you'd actually think they would do everything in their power to make sure the Noarlunga Line opens on time in mid September to make amends for the Belair line mess.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
After the Belair Line debacle you'd actually think they would do everything in their power to make sure the Noarlunga Line opens on time in mid September to make amends for the Belair line mess.
Milkomeda
I'm not sure how they are progressing but the Royal Show starts on the 6th September, so that might be and interesting date to watch?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I'm not sure how they are progressing but the Royal Show starts on the 6th September, so that might be and interesting date to watch?
AFULE
Yes this could be interesting to watch actually will the new station be ready in time one hopes that it will and the line opened again. But if it is not then Adelaide Metro could cop a fair bit of flack from it. So actually I expect more of the Belair line troubles actually as they rush it to get it done.


On the Belair line bodge up if you could call it that if you rush or push a project shortcuts and mistakes are bound to happen sooner or later and some could come back at you at a later date. But really no one would expect the reintroduction of services after a long period to be seamless or without some incidents happening. No one yet has ever got a perfect score doing anything, near yes but never perfect. No one is that good!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

But really no one would expect the reintroduction of services after a long period to be seamless or without some incidents happening.
David Peters
But to have the amount of incidents they've had after a whole lot of test runs is not acceptable.

I'd be willing to bet that the pressure of running such an intense service (4tph each way on a single track route is about the same as 10tph on a double track) which the infrastructure and staff aren't able to maintain consistently will be cited as a major factor in the final report into the SPAD and derailment.

No one yet has ever got a perfect score doing anything, near yes but never perfect. No one is that good!
David Peters

Maybe we should get Nadia Comaneci to run our train system then!
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
when was the last time a major upgrade was AHEAD OF SCHEDULE?
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
But to have the amount of incidents they've had after a whole lot of test runs is not acceptable.

I'd be willing to bet that the pressure of running such an intense service (4tph each way on a single track route is about the same as 10tph on a double track) which the infrastructure and staff aren't able to maintain consistently will be cited as a major factor in the final report into the SPAD and derailment.


Maybe we should get Nadia Comaneci to run our train system then!
justapassenger
I understand that the Chief Executive of the Public Transport Services Division has just resigned so maybe Nadia may get the Job.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

At Waywick there is still a bank of earth connecting the island platform to the side platform but as yet no bridge.
Showgrounds services could operate using only the Belair line with turnback at Millswood loop. During the day the Belair service frequency is 30 minutes, enough gap to slot an extra movement to/from Millswood in.

Ian
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Showgrounds services could operate using only the Belair line with turnback at Millswood loop.
steam4ian
If the station was fit for public use (which it won't be in time), what would be wrong with shuttle services turning back at Kesville station if shuttle services did happen? Terminating at an intermediate station on a single track without a pile of gravel across the line is now routine operation, it happens on a daily basis at Osborne.

In any case, the only show-specific shuttles I think we're going to see this year will be buses to the nice large off-street bus stop reservation on the Goodwood Road side right next to entrance gates. Running rail shuttles to Goodwood station would be rightly condemned as a non-service and the word would get around within the first few hours of operation that using the buses is better this year.

If the system can get sorted out enough to provide the promised four trains an hour each way to/from Tonsley while maintaining two per hour to/from Belair, I can see there being no need for dedicated shuttle trains during the day when the regular timetables can handle the load, especially if all Seaford trains were to have Waywick stops added to spread it out and Belair trains were strengthened to three cars each.

Having a handful of shuttles at night only after the end of an event (not just the Royal Show, any large event there) could be useful to make up for the lower frequency of the regular timetables at night and to provide a better arrangement for crowd control. Best practice would be to run Belair trains through there on the Seaford tracks so that full-height barriers at the entrance to the bridge can control access to the shuttle platform, letting nobody in for timetabled city-bound trains (effectively making them set down only) and 1000 people in each time a two unit shuttle arrives. Once the crowd waiting drops below 100 people, the barriers would be dismantled and the shuttle service called off.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Justapax

Trains may well be able to turnback in the platform at Waywick as you suggested. Track set out and operationally it is possible but will the signalling system allow it to happen?

Axle counters are now used to detect and clear block occupancy. The axles are counted when entering a block which sets the block as occupied; the block is only cleared by the axle counter at the other end counting down the axles counted on entry. Axle counters don't know the movement direction. If a train enters a block its axle count is registered which can then only be released by the axle counter at the far (exit) end, if it then reverses and leaves the block by the entry end the block is not cleared in fact two trains are now registered. As was the case in of the former APB territory trains must not reverse except at predetermined points.
The signalling system could be set up at Waywick so that once occupied the block by the platform can be switched to reverse; the entering axle counter then becomes the exit counter and the system clears when the train departs. The question is; is it?

Millswood loop may/may not be set up for reversing; who knows?

I suggested Millswood loop because it would allow layover but as you suggest and subject to signal operations may not be necessary.

Ian
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Hmm.

The only sign of any planning that acknowledges the likelihood of large event crowds using the station is that the plans going before the DAC included a spot where temporary crowd control barriers could be installed when required, at the eastern side of the overpass entrance. Everything else points to the planners assuming it would only ever be served by standard through trains, especially the lack of the two crossovers to the north which would have allowed regular Belair/Seaford/Tonsley trains to use both sides of the island platform while shuttle trains terminated at the more easily controlled eastern side platform with its better access routes.

That's a pity, because it would have made great sense to set up Kesville for use by inbound trains terminating short of the city as a contingency for the inevitable times when disruption or maintenance work blocks up the Adelaide area. The location is perfect for interchange with replacement buses using Rose Terrace, it would be a welcome improvement over getting turfed off at Mitcham (from Belair) or Brighton (from Seaford) when things aren't going well.

The addition of a pair of crossovers (one trailing, one facing) to the north of North Adelaide station and the accompanying signalling modifications would be all that's necessary to set up a similar contingency plan for the Gawler line.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I think we should wait and just see what does happen on this section of the tracks though. They may have it set up to exactly what has been suggested who knows only those that are needed to know. Anyway until trains are running again on both lines it will be hard to judge what is going to be done here. I cannot see the new station being ready in time though, but miracles sometimes do happen. As long as trains can stop at Goodwood there should be no real problems anyway, only the Showground Central is not there for direct admittance to the Showgrounds from the train. It worked before Showgrounds Central was ever thought of, you just used Goodwood station or Keswick if you were any good at climbing long flights of stairs. Now that Keswick is gone then Goodwood might get used this year for the Show Shuttles. By the way not many people really used Keswick Railway station anyway to get to the show only a mere handful used to alight there, Goodwood however used to be chockers with Pax.

So for one show this year you just virtually revert to what it used to be in Red Hen days, It should work somewhat the same and the buses can move the rest.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Better to market buses to/from the Goodwood Road entrance, running from Grenfell/Currie St and Morphett St where it would intersect all the major bus routes and be just a short walk from the rail station. A shuttle to Goodwood Station dumping people miles from the popular bits of the Royal Show is a complete non-service and a complete turn-off for anybody who might otherwise be encouraged to give public transport a go on a regular basis from a well-organised bus shuttle.

As we saw with the SPAD and derailment last week the staff and systems are already struggling to cope with the Belair line timetable on the Belair line as it is, even though it only runs that intense peak service for a couple of hours each morning and a couple of hours each evening. If they try and add extra shuttles in to try and run an intense service for the whole day every day, the staff and systems are going to crack under the pressure and people will get injured or killed.

A good compromise would be to run shuttle buses and focus 100% of the Royal Show marketing on them for this year, and strengthen all Belair trains on the next iteration of the temporary timetable to three cars for the week, using just a part of the surplus they've got at the moment with a third of the network having no trains.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Concrete Overhead masts being erected today between the pedestrian crossing at SASMEE and East Ave.

Victoria street road surface on the eastern side has been excavated ready for new bitumen.

Transfield track machines were operating on the SG adjacent to the BG Millswood loop.

Was interesting to watch pedestrians (including a mother with a pram and a toddler) using the Leader street level crossing as a scramble crossing the instant a train passed, while the boom gates were still in operation!
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
Was interesting to watch pedestrians (including a mother with a pram and a toddler) using the Leader street level crossing as a scramble crossing the instant a train passed, while the boom gates were still in operation!
Pressman

Some people just never learn do they? And with these recent rail safety campaigns its even more stupid.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

To complete the last of the track works on the Noarlunga Line its being reported there may be a week long partial closure of the Noarlunga Line early 2014 (Im gonna assume its the area between Oaklands and Warradale where there are still wooden sleepers there)
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
A significant milestone at Goodwood yesterday, the last length of rebuilt track (Oaklands-Adelaide) is now in place on the Down Seaford at Goodwood Station.  The previous post reminded me that there is the shutdown at beginning of Jan for Tonsley Jn work.



Alex C
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Great, thank-you for this picture Alex.  No sign of the overhead at Goodwood, not yet anyway.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Great, thank-you for this picture Alex.  No sign of the overhead at Goodwood, not yet anyway.
don_dunstan
According to the DPTI weekly notices there was work planned over the past weekend between Goodwood and Victoria Ave but the wild wet weather seemed to put paid to that. There are steel masts structures lying at the north end of the dive.  Mast foundations are in place there and on the Belair platform.

Alex C
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Some support gear for the spark conveyance is going up, down end of Goodwood as I post.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Progress on overhead: the earth and return conductor wires had on Monday night been run out on pulleys on the up line from S of Marino through Seacliff and Brighton to just S of Jetty Rd.

Alex C
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The droppers of the roof trusses have been installed at HC and HCB.

Still a lot of missing bits at irregular intervals.

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