The comedy of eBay in the HO section. Part 2

 
  andyfmx Locomotive Fireman

I personally don't think it was necissary to contact him. It is annoying to see a few "suit auscision trainorama" titles when search results come back. But it's pretty easy to ignore

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  Kevin Martin Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
I personally don't think it was necissary to contact him. It is annoying to see a few "suit auscision trainorama" titles when search results come back. But it's pretty easy to ignore
andyfmx
Agreed. What these sellers don't realise is that for every potential buyer they attract by using such roundabout terms, they probably put off just as many. As the previous poster proved, pointing out the error of their ways, just generates a WGAS response.

Kevin Martin
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Fairy-nuff fellas.....point taken.
  Toolman Station Staff

Location: Downunder
Roachie,

If you and others feel a bit annoyed when "suits Austrains Auscision Trainorama" pops up in a search and the item is irrelevant to words used in the title, then I encourage you report the item to ebay.

On the far right of the page adjacent to the description tab, there is a "Report item" link.

Click on "Listing practices", "Search and browse manipulation" and "Misusing a brand name". Ensure the reporting is fair, and ebay should confirm the item being listed complies with their policies.

I expect ebay will ignore most reports as it hurts their bottom line to have integrity, but rules are rules.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Roachie,

If you and others feel a bit annoyed when "suits Austrains Auscision Trainorama" pops up in a search and the item is irrelevant to words used in the title, then I encourage you report the item to ebay.

On the far right of the page adjacent to the description tab, there is a "Report item" link.

Click on "Listing practices", "Search and browse manipulation" and "Misusing a brand name". Ensure the reporting is fair, and ebay should confirm the item being listed complies with their policies.

I expect ebay will ignore most reports as it hurts their bottom line to have integrity, but rules are rules.
Toolman
Done!

I reported almost all of his listings....a lot of them had references to Brawa, Lima etc, even though they were Fleishamnn models.
  mitch01 Train Controller

Location: Sebastopol, Vic
Yeah i did the same almost 4 days ago. And yes you guessed it eBay did nothing about it. Was even more peeved since i had something listed that was Aussie outline that did suit traino, auscision etc but mine got kicked. This wasn't even remotely suited.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Done!

I reported almost all of his listings....a lot of them had references to Brawa, Lima etc, even though they were Fleishamnn models.
Roachie
Good if no one complains nothing gets done, you might get called a whinger or worse but you are right it should be listed under the brand name of the model for sale, not that it suits some other brand. If a person cannot get any info about these models from the internet these days they should not be on Ebay in the first place buying stuff. You check it out then you buy it, not buy it blindly.

Also he stated that his friend was downsizing a likely suck in story, I have heard better though. I would not buy something from anyone on E Bay not even if I was desperate, you never know what you might get in the end, some have got just that nothing as well.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)


I would not buy something from anyone on E Bay not even if I was desperate, you never know what you might get in the end, some have got just that nothing as well.
David Peters
G'day David,

I will have to differ from you on that statement, mate.

I have bought oodles of stuff off ebay, both model railways and other general stuff (automotive, tools and household products) and have never received something that wasn't just as described and have never had something just not turn up.

Overall, I am a very satisfied ebay buyer.....but I now try to shy away from selling via ebay because of their high fees and their policy of making Paypal a MUST option (which everyone selects....so you pay Paypal's bloody fees as well!!!)

Roachie
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
G'day David,

I will have to differ from you on that statement, mate.

I have bought oodles of stuff off ebay, both model railways and other general stuff (automotive, tools and household products) and have never received something that wasn't just as described and have never had something just not turn up.

Overall, I am a very satisfied ebay buyer.....but I now try to shy away from selling via ebay because of their high fees and their policy of making Paypal a MUST option (which everyone selects....so you pay Paypal's bloody fees as well!!!)

Roachie
Roachie
I will admit there are some good buys now and again though but not very often these days though. I note on another site that T class locomotives that were sold with questionable weathering and sold cheaply, the first one is already up on EBay the very same day the exhibition was already on, for a bit more that the price they paid at the exhibition for it as a starting bid. Changing Era's most likely that quick, I don't think so and if he did not want it to start with why buy it in the first place. The more likely excuse is, I will buy one and put it up on EBay for more than the RRP that I got it for and see if any suckers will take the price up. Unfortunately they will though. These are the kind of things that get most peoples lather up.

I have no problem with a genuine sale on EBay if the price goes up to more than what it really should be though, as it simply means someone wants it at any cost. But these ones that buy up some models simply to make a quick buck from some unsuspecting modeller, really make your blood boil at times. I am not against making a profit but just against the way some do it though.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Absolutely terrible stuff - the world as we know it is doomed
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
I will admit there are some good buys now and again though but not very often these days though. I note on another site that T class locomotives that were sold with questionable weathering and sold cheaply, the first one is already up on EBay the very same day the exhibition was already on, for a bit more that the price they paid at the exhibition for it as a starting bid. Changing Era's most likely that quick, I don't think so and if he did not want it to start with why buy it in the first place. The more likely excuse is, I will buy one and put it up on EBay for more than the RRP that I got it for and see if any suckers will take the price up. Unfortunately they will though. These are the kind of things that get most peoples lather up.

I have no problem with a genuine sale on EBay if the price goes up to more than what it really should be though, as it simply means someone wants it at any cost. But these ones that buy up some models simply to make a quick buck from some unsuspecting modeller, really make your blood boil at times. I am not against making a profit but just against the way some do it though.
David Peters
Once again, at the risk of coming across as a "soft touch", I find myself disagreeing with you a bit.

One of the things that irks me is when manufacturers release a limited-run model, only available at an exhibition. That makes it extremely difficult for interstate modellers (I live in country SA) to acquire some of these "one-off" models.

Therefore, I consider the bloke who buys some of these models and then immediately lists them for sale on ebay or elsewhere with a marked-up price, is actually doing people like me a great service, for it gives us a chance to buy a model we might otherwise have never had the opportunity to acquire.

Okay, so he makes a profit and it cost me a few more dollars than what he paid.......still likely to be much cheaper than it would have been for me to drive all the way to Melbourne/Sydney/Brisbane etc just to buy the model. After all, nobody is twisting my arm to pay HIS asking price; it is purely my decision if I decide to buy. He is possibly taking a risk, just like any other re-seller, that he has bought a product that he cannot sell and then he is stuck with it and either keeps it for himself or sells it down the track for a loss (unlikely though that may be).

Roachie
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

I guess it depends on how much the mark up is?

Interesting to see what this eventually goes for?

Auscision 42220 "Super Series" one of a kind NSWGR 422 locomotive
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/190886993136?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Why does it depend on the "mark up" this guy started his auction at 99cents
seriously the buyer sets his own mark up .
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Why does it depend on the "mark up" this guy started his auction at 99cents
seriously the buyer sets his own mark up .
"anzac1959"
Mate never let the facts get in the way of a good whinge!
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

Not having a whinge at all, all of those buyers are indeed paying what they are happy (or unhappy) to pay, but they are definitely paying the price for not getting in earlier and buying directly.

Just not so sure that those people buying these things purely for re-selling are "doing those people a favour who miss out first time around" that's all. If the models bought purely for re-selling weren't bought, then others could buy them at the normal price still!

Delays aside, this is why the pre-ordering the model you really want is still a good idea I think, saves having to pay up the bot-bot if they sell out and you are at the mercy of the auction style sale.
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

The on sellers make up for the fence sitters and the wishers (the gunners) .
As Poath said on face book about the GHAN AN "only 30 left I should by the lot and on sell them" somebody will make a killing . Ive paid top dollar for some models that now are on sale ,the 44 for instance If I wanted to sell mine ,4 id be lucky to get $400 for the 4 but I paid well over $1k for them.
So who ever bought excess 44s to on sell them has lost big time. It works both ways.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Like I said I am not against a small profit being made but some are just outright ripoff's at audacious prices. The one I was commenting on had a starting bid $40 over the price he had actually paid in the expectation that it would go way up. I don't mind a model starting at 99 cents and then going haywire price wise that is only the idiots bidding on it that do not know when to stop. However starting a sale at over the price that you paid in the first place is just pure greed to me, but if others see it differently then so be it. But I will wait and I will most probably be able to buy the same thing secondhand which these items are being resold, there is no warranty on a secondhand model even if it has not been taken out of the box. The warranty is only for the original purchaser, so that puts me off to start with. If it packs up just after removal from a box what can you do nothing really unless you want to spend good money taking someone to court if you can locate them, most are a PO box or something in these cases and anyone can get one without too much fuss. We have one such case already of a manufacturer being hard or nigh on impossible to contact so what hope does one really have against a fly by night type of operation. Also how does one know that it will not burn your fingers, all to easy to palm off a stolen anything really on E Bay.

I can see your point Roachie living out in the bush almost, but you could buy direct and even with postage save a bit of money. This is what I would do in your situation anyway. You order it and send the money and they post or courier it to you which ever method they use. I have ordered things from interstate and had no problems at all even 300 Scalpel blades coming through the post from Melbourne. Simply because I could not get them from a local supplier who was out of stock of the particular blades that I wanted.

I am not one to throw away money though willy nilly and if I can save a bit I will. But as I said E Bay these days is rapidly becoming Rip Off Bay to a lot of people. And a lot of sellers are dubious on there. Some are just carrying on a business without any paperwork being done.
  Captain Underpants Train Controller

Like I said I am not against a small profit being made but some are just outright ripoff's at audacious prices. The one I was commenting on had a starting bid $40 over the price he had actually paid in the expectation that it would go way up. I don't mind a model starting at 99 cents and then going haywire price wise that is only the idiots bidding on it that do not know when to stop. However starting a sale at over the price that you paid in the first place is just pure greed to me, but if others see it differently then so be it. But I will wait and I will most probably be able to buy the same thing secondhand which these items are being resold, there is no warranty on a secondhand model even if it has not been taken out of the box. The warranty is only for the original purchaser, so that puts me off to start with. If it packs up just after removal from a box what can you do nothing really unless you want to spend good money taking someone to court if you can locate them, most are a PO box or something in these cases and anyone can get one without too much fuss. We have one such case already of a manufacturer being hard or nigh on impossible to contact so what hope does one really have against a fly by night type of operation. Also how does one know that it will not burn your fingers, all to easy to palm off a stolen anything really on E Bay.

I can see your point Roachie living out in the bush almost, but you could buy direct and even with postage save a bit of money. This is what I would do in your situation anyway. You order it and send the money and they post or courier it to you which ever method they use. I have ordered things from interstate and had no problems at all even 300 Scalpel blades coming through the post from Melbourne. Simply because I could not get them from a local supplier who was out of stock of the particular blades that I wanted.

I am not one to throw away money though willy nilly and if I can save a bit I will. But as I said E Bay these days is rapidly becoming Rip Off Bay to a lot of people. And a lot of sellers are dubious on there. Some are just carrying on a business without any paperwork being done.
David Peters
Here's an example of a small profit, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Powerline-MODEL-RAILWAYS-OF-AUSTRALIA-P521-S-Truck-Works-Yellow-/141046211645?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item20d702643d
Check the price sticker in the main picture then glance across to the "Buy it now" price.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Roachie, he may not be correct, but I don't really blame him for his response to that letter.
Newcastle Express
Actually Bill's response was mild.    
Cheers
Rod
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Looks like there's a run on 422 SS sales - at $600 I've got to ask myself how much do I want mine?
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Looks like there's a run on 422 SS sales - at $600 I've got to ask myself how much do I want mine?
"gw0071"



Its quite funny watching the reaction from others once a loco goes for a big price. Considering it went for $600+ which is a nice healthy profit - if you have a spare you will be laughing.
BUT - a re-run should not be that far away so it will be interesting what actually pops up on ebay before then.

I missed out on one of the candy 422's - bought it for a bit more than the original retail price but absolutely no regrets but only for not pre-ordering it in the begginning.

The GHAN NR's were commanding some good $$$ for a while there but have settled more lately.
Auscision A66 in Olympic colours seems to be the winner at the moment!!
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Indeed, but can we be certain that 42220 SS will get another run? I think an NRR livery could be equally popular
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Latest in the S-car insanity...


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130973699306?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Latest in the S-car insanity...


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/130973699306?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
TheMeddlingMonk
Insanity is the word here! Lol
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

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