Campbelltown changes

 
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
A couple of Up Stabling Sidings at Campbelltown have been lost to make way for the SSFL.

An extension is being made at the north end of the Down Refuge Loop at Campbelltown.  This extension is currently non-wired. Are there any signals for this extension?

The SSFL appears to have km and half-km posts located between the SSFL and the Up South.

These are of a different design to the ST km posts on the Down Side of the Down South.

The SSFL posts are marked say "44" and "44.5".

The ST posts are marked say "44" and a triangular shape for the half-hm.

It was not possible to tell if the 44 km posts for the SSFL and ST were at the same location.

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  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
A couple of Up Stabling Sidings at Campbelltown have been lost to make way for the SSFL.

An extension is being made at the north end of the Down Refuge Loop at Campbelltown.  This extension is currently non-wired. Are there any signals for this extension?
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awsgc24

1.Whenever I checked out construction I didn't notice any sidings removed adjacent to the SSFL. Note that RC required the SSFL to take a wider path north and south of Shambles for future expansion of sidings.

2. Are you referring to the Perway siding that ARTC built for RC to replace the Ingleburn one. http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11360316.htm
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
2. Are you referring to the Perway siding that ARTC built for RC to replace the Ingleburn one. http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11360316.htm
cootanee

If it is indeed a new Perway siding, then

* track centres to adjacent Down Main need to be wide for safety's sake, and possibly fenced
* there would need to be gate(s) connecting it with the adjacent road
* there would probably be some amenities building.
* AFAIK, there is a signal from Platform 3 (Down Main) and Up Sidings to Down Refuge (and thence to New Siding)
* AFAIK, there is NO signal from Platform 2 (Up Main) to Down Refuge (and thence to New Siding)

Another trip to have a look is needed.
  Groover Train Controller

Location: A long way from home
If it is indeed a new Perway siding, then

* track centres to adjacent Down Main need to be wide for safety's sake, and possibly fenced
* there would need to be gate(s) connecting it with the adjacent road
* there would probably be some amenities building.
* AFAIK, there is a signal from Platform 3 (Down Main) and Up Sidings to Down Refuge (and thence to New Siding)
* AFAIK, there is NO signal from Platform 2 (Up Main) to Down Refuge (and thence to New Siding)

Another trip to have a look is needed.
awsgc24

Last time I was there signalling from all platforms and sidings to the down refuge was an illuminated DR route indicator and subsidiary shunt signal.  It is regularly used to position the 6pm ish Goulburn train into the down refuge.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Last time I was there signalling from all platforms and sidings to the down refuge was an illuminated DR route indicator and subsidiary shunt signal.  It is regularly used to position the 6pm ish Goulburn train into the down refuge.
Groover
If you say so.

The original 1968 Campbelltown interlocking left those signals out, no doubt to save money.

Q1: Another stupidity about the 1968 remodelling; a few years before, the 1960 Standard Gauge line from Albury to Melbourne established a new standard loop length of ~900m (3000 feet). So why were the brand new refuge loops at Campbelltown built at the old ~400m standard?
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Built for passenger trains only? Never seen anything other than EMU/DMU passenger sets and the occasional rail maintence vehicle there. If you really need passing loops thats on the other side south of the station, which makes more sense for holding trains waiting to get into Sydney.
  Keith1954 Junior Train Controller

Location: Macarthur
Built for passenger trains only? Never seen anything other than EMU/DMU passenger sets and the occasional rail maintence vehicle there. If you really need passing loops thats on the other side south of the station, which makes more sense for holding trains waiting to get into Sydney.
jcouch
No the Northern loop although now is used by mainly DMU's going to the Southern Highlands use to store freight trains. I often saw the night petrol train in there.
As for the South side of Campbelltown there is already quite a long one there which has been there as long as I can remember.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
If it is indeed a new Perway siding, then

* track centres to adjacent Down Main need to be wide for safety's sake, and possibly fenced
* there would need to be gate(s) connecting it with the adjacent road
* there would probably be some amenities building.
* AFAIK, there is a signal from Platform 3 (Down Main) and Up Sidings to Down Refuge (and thence to New Siding)
* AFAIK, there is NO signal from Platform 2 (Up Main) to Down Refuge (and thence to New Siding)

Another trip to have a look is needed.
awsgc24

Did you mean the section of new track adjacent to Queen Street ending before Campbelltown Road overpass?

If so I pulled this up from the other thread...

"SSFL Overview Liverpool/Campbelltown Community Liaison Group Nov. presentation - Pg 5
Campbelltown Perway Siding, Queens Street
• Bulk earthworks.

• Box culvert extension – clearing and grubbing, and slab construction.

• Installing pit and pipe and directional drilling for the combined service route.

• Piling for the construction of the retaining wall.
http://www.ssfl.artc.com.au/_docs/cc/Liverpool%20Campbelltow..."
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Did you mean the section of new track adjacent to Queen Street ending before Campbelltown Road overpass?

If so I pulled this up from the other thread...

"SSFL Overview Liverpool/Campbelltown Community Liaison Group Nov. presentation - Pg 5
Campbelltown Perway Siding, Queens Street
• Bulk earthworks.

• Box culvert extension – clearing and grubbing, and slab construction.

• Installing pit and pipe and directional drilling for the combined service route.

• Piling for the construction of the retaining wall.
http://www.ssfl.artc.com.au/_docs/cc/Liverpool%20Campbelltow..."
cootanee

Well the PW siding is near Queen St.

See: http://www.street-directory.com.au/

The ARTC page does not seem to have a diagram.

The PW siding would have street access from a moderately busy road.
  Groover Train Controller

Location: A long way from home
If you say so.

The original 1968 Campbelltown interlocking left those signals out, no doubt to save money.

Q1: Another stupidity about the 1968 remodelling; a few years before, the 1960 Standard Gauge line from Albury to Melbourne established a new standard loop length of ~900m (3000 feet). So why were the brand new refuge loops at Campbelltown built at the old ~400m standard?
awsgc24

See the 2012 signal diagram in signaldiagramandphotos.com for  access to the down refuge

I wasn't involved in the 1968 redesign, however casting my mind back to then I could see some uses for the down refuge in those days:
1. Refuging of short south freights and pick ups
2. Refuging of Glenlee traffic.  The up ones regularly used Ingleburn loop
3. Refuging of not so long freights
4. Campbelltown movements
5. The occasional suburban goes into the loop.  Last time I did that was 2 years ago.

Last year an RTM special used it.

Not every south freight then or now is 900m.  The evening oil used it regularly until recently and in the 70's there was often a freight in there waiting for the Aurora or SOP to overtake.  

So, a couple of take away points here:
1. What ever you do or say, make sure you have the latest documentation.
2. What may appear stupid to you now maybe wasn't stupid then, and may not be stupid now.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Well the PW siding is near Queen St.

See: http://www.street-directory.com.au/

The ARTC page does not seem to have a diagram.

The PW siding would have street access from a moderately busy road.
awsgc24

Yep that's the one.

No ARTC track diagram because it's Railcorp. ARTC built it as part of the SSFL works. In the original SSFL plan the Ingleburn replacement PW was to be at Leightonfield.

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