2013 Federal Election - 7th September

 
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

[quote=2301]One only has to look at the corruption of the Labor party in New South Wales for another reason to not vote Labor!

It is just absolutely unbelievable what has come out of the ICAC corruption case and to think that all the other Labor party power brokers and parliamentarians had no idea of what was happening right under their noses.......funny that.[/quote]And what about the NSW government, under Barry, Hazzard, etc joining forces with a huge coal mining company to fight against the Bulga residents? Why wasn't Hazzard & Barry neutral in the matter? And IF they have, how have THEY (the Liberals) been "influenced" by big mining companies?

EG:
[left][ul][li][url=http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1706573/editorial-taking-sides-on-coal-case/?cs=306][size=2]http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1706573/editorial-taking-sides-on-coal-case/?cs=306[/size][/url][quote=Sean Nicholls, Fairfax journalist][size=2]Rio Tinto[/size][size=2] [/size][b][size=2][u]and the state government are simultaneously[/u][/size][/b][size=2] [/size][size=2]appealing the Land and Environment Court judgment in the NSW Supreme Court in a case that opened on Wednesday.[/size][/quote][/li][/ul][/left]
[size=2]And going from the responses by the Liberals (such as Robyn Parker) in this and related articles (http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1735241/mine-subsidence-devastates-sugarloaf-video-photos/?cs=305), it looks like the NSW government tried to make sure it wasn't known. eg: Parker refusing to reply, even though she is a servant of the people of her area.[/size]

And that's the trouble, while Labor do it to, Liberals thing more like that they are the bosses, with the people serving them, which is incorrect.

And here (http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1734957/transcript-tony-abbott-jeff-mccloy-jaimie-abbott-media-conference/?cs=305) we have Tony Abbott trying to use people that backs them into a corner so to speak, so that have to vote for Abbott.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1732147/tim-owen-10000-travel-expenses-to-paris/?cs=305

I wonder if (or should I say when?) Abbott is going to privatise almost all public infrastructure? Andrew Cornwell from the NSW government has already said that governments are there to regulate, not operate. Wonder when Abbott will follow that practise?

[size=2]I know the following are state issues, but that's how federal Liberals are likely to be, although the federal government has been involved.[/size]

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
This does not negate the fact that Wong is incompetent.you would have ASIC and the fraud squad launching investigations all over the place and shareholders would be vying for blood like the Australian public currently are.[/.  If you had a business would you employ Wong and all the other Labor fools to run it?  Couldn't you just imagine if a private business was ran the same way as these people are running the country at present - you would have ASIC and the fraud squad launching investigations all over the place and shareholders would be vying for blood like the Australian public currently are.
2301

Ah, it's good to see that nothing has changed.  Another extravagant statement from 2301, complete with all of the usual emotive language. ". . .the fact that Wong is incompetent."  Who established any fact, and how? This bit, "you would have ASIC and the fraud squad launching investigations all over the place", is absolutely priceless.  Is he accusing Labor ministers of fraud? I'd say he needs to be pretty careful making that sort of statement.  And, "vying for blood as the Australian public currently are". . . "vying " for blood?  The verb "to vie" - "strive for superiority, carry on rivalry . ." [Oxford] I wonder if his speech writer meant "crying for blood."  Whilst on the subject of English,  "public" as used here, is a singular noun, so correct grammar has, "the Australian public currently is." But, I digress.  The idea of the public crying for blood is the greatest load of  balderdash one could read in years.  It demonstrates once again the Great 2301 System - "I say it, and you have to believe it even though I produce no evidence whatsoever."  
I don't think 2301 will ever change; extravagant statements by the score, reasoned comments conspicuous by their total absence, and a persistent cliché-ridden bleat. He's the delight of any Party machine organiser - fill their unthinking minds with slogans, and turn them loose.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I wonder if (or should I say when?) Abbott is going to privatise almost all public infrastructure? Andrew Cornwell from the NSW government has already said that governments are there to regulate, not operate. Wonder when Abbott will follow that practise?
Newcastle Express

It's this really extreme Thatcherite agenda that worries me too.  Howard sold off and rented back many public buildings - what's the next step?  Crown land?  It's about the only thing of value the Commonwealth still has left, I can't think of anything else they own that would be suitable for privatisation (apart from Parliament House itself!).  Maybe they will privatise Centrelink, apparently the insurance industry approached Howard many times to do just that but even Johnny didn't like the idea - perhaps Abbott will look at it differently.

Also I noticed in the papers today that Abbott intends to abolish the Charities Commission - the only piece of oversight that charities really have to fulfil.  That really rings alarm bells for me.  Not so much with organisations like the Catholic Church but there are some other, really dodgey charities out there - I've had professional dealings with many of them - and they badly need the Tax Office to keep watch over their activities.  Abolishing the Charities Commission is really bad news.  Then again maybe it's not... I've been thinking about setting up my own charity for a long time and maybe that's my cue!


Don, getting back to your argument about oligopolies and how you believe Andrew Robb will help encourage them; oligopolies are a part of every economy rightly or wrongly.
2301

At last, some kind of defence of what Andrew Robb said.  Let me ask you this then, if cartels are a natural part of any capitalist economy then why does the USA, that bastion of global free enterprise, have some of the toughest 'anti-trust' laws in the world? Why do they go hard on cartels when we've decided not to bother?  Something to do with using monopoly market position to gouge consumers maybe?  And it's not like our cartels are using their power to expand overseas and bring money back into Australia - Coles is not out there growing international market share like Carrefour or Tescos; and our banks have given up on their foray overseas after situations like NAB getting burnt in the UK.  They've obviously decided that there's much easier money here in Australia continuing to gouge Aussie consumers and donating large sums to politicians to keep the status quo.


I don't think 2301 will ever change; extravagant statements by the score, reasoned comments conspicuous by their total absence, and a persistent cliché-ridden bleat.
Valvegear

Unfortunately I've come to the same conclusion, childish retorts, unthinking propaganda.  He doesn't actually want to think about what you've said and come back with a logical argument, it's all about how bad the Labor Party is without seriously looking at what's being offered as an alternative.  2301 if you want to be taken seriously then stop behaving like a party apparatchik and start mounting a serious defence of the Liberal Party.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Rudd's Labor campaign equals the same as Abbott's & the same! Bloomin' well USESLESS (please believe that the font is 5 times bigger!)
Gee Rudd, you had to spoil it didn't you.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Unfortunately I've come to the same conclusion, childish retorts, unthinking propaganda.  He doesn't actually want to think about what you've said and come back with a logical argument, it's all about how bad the Labor Party is without seriously looking at what's being offered as an alternative.  2301 if you want to be taken seriously then stop behaving like a party apparatchik and start mounting a serious defence of the Liberal Party.
don_dunstan
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You postulate about all manner of evils that you SAY Abbot will visit upon us, and in that sense you are no different from that lying sack of shiite Rudd.


And if you want to be taken seriously, stop with the Labor bullshiite propaganda.

Oh, wait a minute, only 6 days to go and the Liberals will be in power. Nah, knock yourself out, it makes no difference anyway.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Rosebud's Sunday Terrorags got a poster of his boy on the front page.

They're also throwing in a jar of Nutella. Must be some connection Confused

Apparently regional areas don't get the Nutella.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
no different from that lying sack of shiite Rudd.
"TheBlacksmith"

You've hit on the cardinal sin of all Australian politics.  It seems that politicians believe that they have a God-given right to lie to us.
"There will never, ever be a GST."
"There will be no Carbon Tax under a government that I lead"
(One example from each side, just to avoid the suspicion of bias. )
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
You've hit on the cardinal sin of all Australian politics.  It seems that politicians believe that they have a God-given right to lie to us.
"There will never, ever be a GST."
"There will be no Carbon Tax under a government that I lead"
(One example from each side, just to avoid the suspicion of bias. )
Valvegear

Oddly, it is not actually the lies that I object to, but the firm belief these twats have that we are so stupid as to believe them.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Amazing that this brain is capable of operating a keyboard, although admittedly only just.
TheBlacksmith

You have to admit though, if Barry was joining forces with the private sector to bulldoze your town/farm because there's coal under it you'd be pretty outraged.  Or maybe not?  Maybe you'd happily sell out at whatever price they'd set for your land?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You've hit on the cardinal sin of all Australian politics.  It seems that politicians believe that they have a God-given right to lie to us.
"There will never, ever be a GST."
"There will be no Carbon Tax under a government that I lead"
(One example from each side, just to avoid the suspicion of bias. )
Valvegear

Yeah, what difference does it make anyway - they all say one thing and do another.  They all reward their mates with cushy jobs and then in turn expect to get on the boards of private sector companies in retirement getting big $$$ for doing nothing.  Look at Peter Reith.

All I'm saying is: Don't let Abbott cruise in on a series of 'I'll be so much better' promises, look critically at him and his mob and try and read the subtext of what they're really saying.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
All I'm saying is: Don't let Abbott cruise in on a series of 'I'll be so much better' promises, look critically at him and his mob and try and read the subtext of what they're really saying.
don_dunstan
Does it occur to you that I and the millions of other who are going to vote Tony into power next Saturday have already done that, and find him a better alternative than the ALP? Your assumption is we don't think it out, and you could not be more wrong.

You asked earlier what issues I had in the rural area? Well, I have some, and they have been communicated to my local member and I am not interested in discussing them here. And there is the major difference between Liberal and Labor supporters, the Liberal supporters are, in the main, not going to turn up on a forum bleating about Evil Kevin or whoever, but Labor supporters do - in their droves, as witnessed in this thread.

As to someone digging up my land sometime in the near future, yes please, I want to move further away from the city if I can.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
You've hit on the cardinal sin of all Australian politics.  It seems that politicians believe that they have a God-given right to lie to us.
"There will never, ever be a GST."
"There will be no Carbon Tax under a government that I lead"
(One example from each side, just to avoid the suspicion of bias. )
Valvegear

John Howard took it to an election and at least got a mandate from the people, unlike Juliar who sold the Labor party to the Greens.  Screw the people of Australia - they can have a carbon tax to increase their cost of living so I can be Prime Minister..........and trash the Labor party in the process.  

That's real morality in play there.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Yeah, what difference does it make anyway - they all say one thing and do another.  They all reward their mates with cushy jobs and then in turn expect to get on the boards of private sector companies in retirement getting big $$$ for doing nothing.  Look at Peter Reith.

All I'm saying is: Don't let Abbott cruise in on a series of 'I'll be so much better' promises, look critically at him and his mob and try and read the subtext of what they're really saying.
don_dunstan

Yes, but you are always implying that it is ok for Labor to lie, but how dare the Liberals or any one else.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Yes, but you are always implying that it is ok for Labor to lie, but how dare the Liberals or any one else.
2301

Where did I say that it was okay for the Labor Party to lie?
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Abbott has confirmed that he supports military action on Syria, in a war that is NOT (repeat NOT) ours. Obama has to wait until 7th September, and if Tony Abbott does get in Saturday, he WILL side with Obama for an attack on Syria.

At 2301, you like the right winged media, left off the most important part of John Howard's lie. The part you left off is highlighted.

Howard said "Never ever a GST while the Coalition is in power" That meant when the Coalition won ANY election after that, that was meant to prevent the Coalition introducing a GST.

But both sides tell Lies to win over voters.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Does it occur to you that I and the millions of other who are going to vote Tony into power next Saturday have already done that, and find him a better alternative than the ALP? Your assumption is we don't think it out, and you could not be more wrong.
TheBlacksmith

Actually from some of the blathering on here it's quite apparent to me that many people haven't thought it out.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
unlike Juliar who sold the Labor party to the Greens.
2301

2301, my dear little chap, I've already pointed this out to you once. It's called a coalition. It's exactly what the Libs have been doing with the Country/National Party since before the unfortunate occurrence of your conception. Your double standards are staggering.
As a matter of academic interest, which of the Greens and the National Party of Australia received the higher primary vote in 2010?
And, can't you do better than Juliar? It has been done to death and is neither original nor witty.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Actually from some of the blathering on here it's quite apparent to me that many people haven't thought it out.
don_dunstan

No, no, no. And there is the core of your problem, you are stubbornly unwilling to accept that others are entitled to a different opinion and are entitled to that. So you blather on endlessly in an effort to change our minds.

You are coming very close to being simply a bully. Let go.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
No, no, no. And there is the core of your problem, you are stubbornly unwilling to accept that others are entitled to a different opinion and are entitled to that. So you blather on endlessly in an effort to change our minds.

You are coming very close to being simply a bully. Let go.
TheBlacksmith
My friend, that does work both ways.
  9034 Train Controller



Howard said "Never ever a GST while the Coalition is in power" That meant when the Coalition won ANY election after that, that was meant to prevent the Coalition introducing a GST.

He sought a mandate from the Australian people to implement a major change to our taxation system.  And he got it.  He won a election with the GST as policy.  It that so hard for you to understand?  

9034
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
He sought a mandate from the Australian people to implement a major change to our taxation system.  And he got it.  He won a election with the GST as policy.  It that so hard for you to understand?  

9034
9034
I agree.

That is how I remember it. Howard sought a mandate for the GST in the election for a second term, and got that mandate.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And there is the major difference between Liberal and Labor supporters, the Liberal supporters are, in the main, not going to turn up on a forum bleating about Evil Kevin or whoever, but Labor supporters do - in their droves, as witnessed in this thread.
TheBlacksmith
We must be reading different threads?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
My friend, that does work both ways.
Barrington Womble

Well, if you go back over the 10 posts I have made in this thread you will not find me trying to show you the error of your ways, just making the occasional crack at the ludicrous statements made here. I could not care less how you vote, and I am not going to waste my time trying to change you. There is the point of difference.
  northbritish Chief Train Controller

I don't see why the liberals have got that has been howard to campaign for them, especially when he as "instructed by" (oh sooorrry I mean "followed") Bush jnr into the invasion of Iraq for oil.
Newcastle Express
Invading for oil, nonsense, it would be far easier and cheaper to simply buy the oil.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Invading for oil, nonsense, it would be far easier and cheaper to simply buy the oil.
northbritish

Spot on. It is amazing how clichés like 'invading for oil' become 'facts' after they have been bandied around for some time. Even though they do not stand up to scrutiny.

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