Building Steam Era's S class and the Spirit of Progress

 
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Excellent emhurst! A streamlined S class as it should look!

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  S 301 Chief Commissioner

Location: in front of the computer
Something like that, but I agree, it's not a big issue.

They also had a full valance under the cab (a thin strip of it below the staff exchanger).

But I'll agree with with Aaron, that is some excellent work Smile

Zec
  TrainTree Train Controller

Location: Eltham
I didn't know the S was ever red... Thanks for the post! Now when I get around to putting mine together I'll have a problem as to which colour..

TrainTree
  JLB51 Junior Train Controller

team-ALCO has just released the S class for MSTS with the red versions (as well as the blue).

http://teamalco.com.au/TA08_locos.html

Have to say I'd choose to build the blue version myself - unless I was building more than one perhaps.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Not that it's captioned as so (it'd be expecting just too much), but I am pretty sure there's a a b&w photo of a red streamlined S in one of the TH books.
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria
I think there is too. S301 if I rememer properly, the numbers are painted where the loco's name was on the blue locos.
  S 301 Chief Commissioner

Location: in front of the computer
Thats a good point, although I sorta hoped anyone who knew of em would do the numbers like that Smile

That said, it was only marked as '301', no class letter. Apparently 302 or 303 was also done this way, although I've never seen a photo to show (it's probably around, but I've never seen one published).

Mind you, if I had the $$ I would do S301 up without the nose doors... That would be a sweet lookin model!

Zec
  Robert_Boyle Train Controller

Location: In a 6d6 orbital, probably
Not that it's captioned as so (it'd be expecting just too much), but I am pretty sure there's a a b&w photo of a red streamlined S in one of the TH books.
"Aaron"


There are two b/w photos of S301 streamlined and in red livery in the first of the two TH books on the S class.

There are also several pictures of unstreamlined S class locos in red in the same book, although it's difficult to tell, as the b/w films of the time were red blind and register red the same as black.


I didn't know the S was ever red... Thanks for the post! Now when I get around to putting mine together I'll have a problem as to which colour..
"TrainTree"


The S class were repainted in red in 1934, long before streamlining. S301 was the first one streamlined in mid '37 and ran in red for about 5 months before being repainted. S302 was the second one streamlined and also ran in red for a while until it was repainted for the trials of the SOP in Nov. '37. Both would have pulled the Sydney Express and the Albury trains while painted red.

You have to be careful of some of the VR photos of the early streamlined locos. Photoshop may not have been around in 1937, but retouching of photos goes back a long way.

S303 and S300 were streamlined later in 1938, but had already been fitted with the large tender in 1937. There is a photo showing S303 with a large tender in  David Bourke's "Observers Book of Steam Locomotives of Australia", published in 1979.

I've never been sure just which bits of an unstreamlined S were painted red, but these photos should give an idea of what they'd have looked like in the years before the SOP was built and the S class were repainted blue and gold. They are BGM brass models modified and painted 25 years ago and could do with some updating.


S303 as running in 1935

S303 as running in late 1937

S301 as running just before repainting in Nov. '37

Regards,
RB
  S 301 Chief Commissioner

Location: in front of the computer
Hi RB
Much thanks for posting those photos! I've been interested in the red unstreamlined S, after having seen a cardboard cut-out of one at the Making Tracks display at Seymour Smile

Will be extremely useful for when I look at pending a few weeks working on my Trainz (simulator) versions of these.

These are the most beautiful locomotives ever, no matter what livery or variation.

It would be a very nice sight to attempt to find a model of as many variations as possible and have just a big lineup/lashup of S class locos running around a layout. Possibly something for 2028...

Zec
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Clearly the A2 is the sexiest VR loco ever, maybe even the sexiest Aussie loco, but the two photos of S303 show that the unstreamlined S class were an awesome looking loco, especially in red. Streamlining the S class wrecked their awesome lines.
  Robert_Boyle Train Controller

Location: In a 6d6 orbital, probably

It would be a very nice sight to attempt to find a model of as many variations as possible and have just a big lineup/lashup of S class locos running around a layout. Possibly something for 2028...

Zec
"S 301"


That would be a lot of models.

There were ten major design variants :-

1. as built in black.
2. as built in red.
3. MFE and small smoke deflectors in red.
4. MFE and large smoke deflectors in red.
5. MFE, large smoke deflectors and large tender in red.
6. Streamlined in red.
7. Streamlined in blue with solid cowcatcher.
8. streamlined in blue with lattice cowcatcher.
9. Streamlined in blue with cut back valance.
10. Streamlined in blue with cutback valance and oil tender.

On top of that after the war there was a welded trailing truck on one, the tender trucks were changed and 3 out of 4 tenders got a new body .

S300 was also odd man out in pre-war years, with an extra safety valve and short travel valve gear.

A lot of the other minor variations aren't obvious in photos, but odds are that no two of them were ever identical for much of the period they were in service.

Regards,
RB
  S 301 Chief Commissioner

Location: in front of the computer
Yep, but would still be an interesting (and impressive) sight Smile

Thank you for the list as well, I didn't realize the MFE era ones were only in red. Smile Just one more piece of information that does seem to make it into publications :s

Thanks Smile

Zec
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Nice models there Rob, I particularly like the 2nd one (S303 as a hybrid of the 2 versions). There was a photo of this version at Spencer St in the November 2007 SOP issue of Australian Railway History.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Nice models there Rob, I particularly like the 2nd one (S303 as a hybrid of the 2 versions). There was a photo of this version at Spencer St in the November 2007 SOP issue of Australian Railway History.
"K160"

Hi..
Was their much about the SOP in that edion, Is it worth chasing up?
Cheers
Rod
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
It had a few items of interest (in fact that is all that was in this issue). It is worth getting.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
From PROV:


S301 in ferric red.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Was there a date attached to that photo DT?
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
The actual PROV image doesn't, but I can tell you it dates from not long before the SoP launch in 1937.

I have a scan of a picture of S300 with the name and number painted on somewhere from that same era; what's interesting is it has no wings on the front.
  Robert_Boyle Train Controller

Location: In a 6d6 orbital, probably

I have a scan of a picture of S300 with the name and number painted on somewhere from that same era; what's interesting is it has no wings on the front.
"Deep Throat"


If that photo of S300 is the one I think it is, careful inspection shows it is the photo of S301 in red (VR no. H1651), which has been retouched to appear as S300 in blue/gold. The lighting angle and viewpoint of the photo are exactly the same.

The commonly printed colour image of S302 and the SOP is also a good example of the art of photo retouching, circa 1937......

They started with photo H1788
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/images/12800/12800-00001-000049-010.asp
and ended up with this...
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/images/12800/12800-00001-000161-050.asp

There are a lot interesting photos in the PROV collection from around the period of the SOP introduction. Including this one of either 302 or 301 in the paint shop in '37.
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/images/12903/12903-p00001-000338-030.asp

For those who haven't explored the PROV VR collection online. The search routine is a bit clunky, but use the search term 'spirit' on the search page and see what you get.
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=41

Regards,
RB
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria
Just a heads up for rp members.

Currently there are TEN sets left of the lining for S, W or Z cars. These were in shorter supply as they were merely intended to fill the printing sheet. There are still plenty of the lettering sets available.

Each set is enough lining to complete 5 cars. I thought I'd give you all the opportunity to jump in!

Please also note N scale decals are available through Aust-N-Rail. Please support Rob also!

Thanks to the people who had supported my decal project through its various phases and to the customers who had made purchases. I hope they'll be put to good use!
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
This is probably useful for a Spirit set, so I thought I'd ask here: Can anyone recommend a good colour match to the Powerline S carriages (both the Blue/Gold and Maroon/Silver liveries)?
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
This is probably useful for a Spirit set, so I thought I'd ask here: Can anyone recommend a good colour match to the Powerline S carriages (both the Blue/Gold and Maroon/Silver liveries)?
"TheMeddlingMonk"


Anyone?
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Just a heads up for rp members.

Currently there are TEN sets left of the lining for S, W or Z cars. These were in shorter supply as they were merely intended to fill the printing sheet. There are still plenty of the lettering sets available.

Each set is enough lining to complete 5 cars. I thought I'd give you all the opportunity to jump in!

Please also note N scale decals are available through Aust-N-Rail. Please support Rob also!

Thanks to the people who had supported my decal project through its various phases and to the customers who had made purchases. I hope they'll be put to good use!
toxation
seemed like an oldie but a goodie to ask these questions in this thread

Are these decal sets still available

Is the VHN kit still available

Did powerline produce a buffet car for the sop and what is the going rate

Thanks anzac
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
seemed like an oldie but a goodie to ask these questions in this thread

Are these decal sets still available

Is the VHN kit still available

Did powerline produce a buffet car for the sop and what is the going rate

Thanks anzac
anzac1959

Powerline did produce a buffet car. On the previous page of this thread you'll see where one Railpage member has modified it. Usually they go for anything from $80 to $120 on eBay, though occasionally more than this.

Regarding the CS/VHN kit, Blue and Gold Models make one, though I'm not sure if it's out of stock.
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria
seemed like an oldie but a goodie to ask these questions in this thread

Are these decal sets still available

Is the VHN kit still available

Did powerline produce a buffet car for the sop and what is the going rate

Thanks anzac
anzac1959
The VHN was available as a Hanovale Models casting, but now there is a van done by Blue and Gold. Powerline did do a buffet car in its converted form, which can be modified to represent the dining car on the SOP.

There are still decals available, as well as etched brass number plates now for a number of VR locos.

You can have a look here.

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