Which Urban Rail projects will be killed by the Liberals?

 
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
A Bot has been very clear that his government wont fund urban rail.

So, what investment is at risk here?  Here's a list of the potential CARnage (see what I did there?)

Definitely dead:

Melbourne Metro (South Ken to Domain)
Brisbane Cross City rail
Tonsley upgrade

At risk:

Sydney North West Metro
Currambine to Butler
Kippa Ring
Newcastle Light Rail
Perth Airport Railway

Are we even certain that these advanced projects wont be emaciated or cancelled?

Gold Coast Light Rail
Melbourne Regional Rail Link
Dulwich Hill Light Rail
Sydney South-East Light Rail
Sydney South-West Rail Link
Seaford electrification
Grovedale, Epsom, Talbot station re-openings.

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  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Are we even certain that these advanced projects wont be emaciated or cancelled?

Seaford electrification
Calgully
That one can't be cancelled, as the overhead is almost entirely complete now, and bombardier have already delivered the first electric train (it actually went for a test run on the line the other day).

At risk:
Electrification, between Adelaide and Dry Creek, so the new electric trains can actually travel to the main workshop/depot under their own power.

More cancelled projects for South Australia:
South Road/Port Road underpass, which includes a bridge to remove a level crossing between South Road and the Port Adelaide line
http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/south_road_upgrade/northsouthcorridor/south_road_upgrade_-_torrens_road_to_river_torrens

Electrification of the remainder of the Adelaide metro network, including the Gawler line which actually has a large number of poles already installed. The Gawler line should have been done only the state government ran out of money.

If Rudd realised Abbott was going to such a nasty person as to cancel funds to projects approved in his budgets, he could have had the money actually transferred to to the states so it couldn't be taken back.
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
As far as I know the (Clarkson)-Butler extension is funded by the state (and not the commonwealth) so should be safe at least... (and is pretty advanced as well, tracklaying mostly complete and station structure taking shape)

Colin Barnett wanted federal funding for the MAX light rail though.
  Mickonthehill Station Staff

Location: Crimial Hill
There's no projects at risk, as Mr A Bot will stamp his foot so hard on Saturday night round about 11pm when he has to concede defeat, that like Rumpelstilitskin he disappears into the middle of the earth.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Although they are mostly state or council matters, Answer to the title = ALL (except possibly one)
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
That one can't be cancelled, as the overhead is almost entirely complete now, and bombardier have already delivered the first electric train (it actually went for a test run on the line the other day).

At risk:
Electrification, between Adelaide and Dry Creek, so the new electric trains can actually travel to the main workshop/depot under their own power.

More cancelled projects for South Australia:
South Road/Port Road underpass, which includes a bridge to remove a level crossing between South Road and the Port Adelaide line
http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/south_road_upgrade/northsouthcorridor/south_road_upgrade_-_torrens_road_to_river_torrens
"fabricator"
I think probably all of those are safe, the electrification to DC is not in doubt.

Electrification of the remainder of the Adelaide metro network, including the Gawler line which actually has a large number of poles already installed. The Gawler line should have been done only the state government ran out of money.

If Rudd realised Abbott was going to such a nasty person as to cancel funds to projects approved in his budgets, he could have had the money actually transferred to to the states so it couldn't be taken back.
"fabricator"
And what money would Rudd have transferred? He had no money at the end, and once the state had the dosh, they'd probably just spend it elsewhere anyway.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Although they are mostly state or council matters, Answer to the title = ALL (except possibly one)
Newcastle Express
What about those that are already underway? They can't be cancelled halfway through construction, can they?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
What about those that are already underway? They can't be cancelled halfway through construction, can they?
railblogger
Depends if all the money has been handed over already.   If not then....
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The sky won't fall in when Abbott becomes PM later tonight but unfortunately things are going back to a state of almost complete hiatus for rail projects as it was under Johnny Howard; the Alice to Darwin railway and some limited ARTC projects were the exception.

Colin Barnett won't get any federal money for Perth Airport Link or the MAX project and likewise I don't see SA getting any money to put towards completing electrification; Joe Hockey released the list of cancelled projects on (I think) Thursday and it was pretty much everything rail based is being binned including planning for Melbourne Metro, Brisbane Cross River Rail etc.  It's a shame because people driving cars everywhere is causing no end of problems in my part of Melbourne and it's only going to get worse both locally and nationally... oh well, maybe an obstructionist senate can (ironically) help get things done, who knows what will happen?
  northbritish Chief Train Controller

There's no projects at risk, as Mr A Bot will stamp his foot so hard on Saturday night round about 11pm when he has to concede defeat, that like Rumpelstilitskin he disappears into the middle of the earth.
Mickonthehill
Would you like to retract that?
  northbritish Chief Train Controller

What nobody has mentioned is that the Liberals are going to fund 80% of the states road projects instead of the 50% provided by the former labor government. that means the states have 30% of the road budget to spend on other projects.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
What nobody has mentioned is that the Liberals are going to fund 80% of the states road projects instead of the 50% provided by the former labor government. that means the states have 30% of the road budget to spend on other projects.
northbritish

Not in the case of the East-West tollway here in Melbourne.  Prior to the election Abbott offerred $1.5 billion which is less than 20 percent of the projected overall cost.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
We're getting more 3-4 lane motorways from widening projects. However in moderate traffic it's not uncommon for the speed to be 10kph below the limit. People spread themselves across the lanes and no one can get past them.

They may be overtaking, but at a rate of 10mm every two weeks Rolling Eyes
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A Bot has been very clear that his government wont fund urban rail.

So, what investment is at risk here?  Here's a list of the potential CARnage (see what I did there?)



At risk:


Perth Airport Railway
Calgully

Look like any federal funding for this project will disappear.  Could be more dead than at risk?

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-13094/

Regards
Brian
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
Maybe I'm a bit optimistic and placing too much trust in political theatrics, but I'm not writing it off just yet - there's always the light rail project to "borrow" funds from if need be (with the last WA budget, Barnett did say he would build both by 2019 with the $500 million announced by federal Labor). Plus there's always state Labor's cut-price airport rail plan if they need to save some more cash...

Personally I'd prefer the light rail over an airport train though (but that's another discussion).
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

What about those that are already underway? They can't be cancelled halfway through construction, can they?
railblogger
Maldon to Dombarton is one example under the NSW premier, Gr, Gr, Grei (oh no I don't even want to say his name).
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

Well Melbourne Metro was never going to be built by State Liberals anyway.

It'll just be death by apathy, Federal wont even consider funding any proposals.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Well Melbourne Metro was never going to be built by State Liberals anyway.

It'll just be death by apathy, Federal wont even consider funding any proposals.
LamontCranston
I was working at an office about 7km from my house earlier this year.  It was much faster to ride my bike than it was to drive because you could cut past enormous queues of cars; it took about half the time.  Ridiculous.  Thankfully they had a shower there!  Unfortunately public transport from about 7:30am-9am was unusable, usually you couldn't physically get on the trains because they were too crowded; trams were slowed down too much by the accompanying car traffic.  It's getting completely nutty and dysfunctional in Melbourne and the tunnel won't make a fig of difference to the majority of drivers anyway because it doesn't even go where most traffic is headed (the city).  I don't think we're going to be 'world's most liveable' for much longer.

Henry Bolte was a dry Liberal and even he saw the pressing need and got on with the City Loop when Melbourne was less than half the size it is now.  This current mob leave a lot to be desired...
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
We're getting more 3-4 lane motorways from widening projects. However in moderate traffic it's not uncommon for the speed to be 10kph below the limit. People spread themselves across the lanes and no one can get past them.

They may be overtaking, but at a rate of 10mm every two weeks Rolling Eyes
cootanee
Well at least those behind them don't get done for speeding though, that is one good thing about that. Laughing
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

I was working at an office about 7km from my house earlier this year.  It was much faster to ride my bike than it was to drive because you could cut past enormous queues of cars; it took about half the time.  Ridiculous.  Thankfully they had a shower there!  Unfortunately public transport from about 7:30am-9am was unusable, usually you couldn't physically get on the trains because they were too crowded; trams were slowed down too much by the accompanying car traffic.  It's getting completely nutty and dysfunctional in Melbourne and the tunnel won't make a fig of difference to the majority of drivers anyway because it doesn't even go where most traffic is headed (the city).  I don't think we're going to be 'world's most liveable' for much longer.

Henry Bolte was a dry Liberal and even he saw the pressing need and got on with the City Loop when Melbourne was less than half the size it is now.  This current mob leave a lot to be desired...
don_dunstan
Boltes 1969 Melbourne Transportation Plan is the reason we have this mess: it is the source of the 10 freeways that been been built in Victoria over the past 40 years.
It had some rail but nothing of the scale of the road works, it was first and foremost a freeway plan, and of them all only the loop was built.

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