Steel Train Derailment at Mordialloc

 
  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
At around 12:30pm today the down Steelie with BL34-BL29 derailed at Mordialloc near the up end of platform 1.
The cause is said to be the leading axle on the trailing bogie of the wagon behind the locos.

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  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
That will cause some long delays.

Does anyone know if there were points neat the derailment?
  v-locity Station Master

Location: The Frankston Line
Just been down there and still stable at Mordialloc and Hasn't been moved yet. I must say the up Flinders Streets are still moving along quite briskly and there seems to be not much delay with passenger Metro services. Would also like to note i think the loco drivers did a great job too.
  BR BILL Locomotive Driver
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Interesting looking at the photo's, the train was run through track No. 2 instead of via No. 1a. Is this usual for the Long Island Steelie?

In answer to the previous posters question, points not in the immediate vicinity of the derailment. Last points passed over / through are on the UP side of the level crossing.  (Wonder if there is any scoring in the bitumen at the level crossing?)

To clarify / correct an earlier post, the derailment is at the UP end of platform No. 2.

Track diagram of Mordialloc is here;
http://www.signaldiagramsandphotos.com/mywebpages/vr/Metropolitan/25'2011.pdf
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Interesting looking at the photo's, the train was run through track No. 2 instead of via No. 1a. Is this usual for the Long Island Steelie?

In answer to the previous posters question, points not in the immediate vicinity of the derailment. Last points passed over / through are on the UP side of the level crossing.  (Wonder if there is any scoring in the bitumen at the level crossing?)

To clarify / correct an earlier post, the derailment is at the UP end of platform No. 2.

Track diagram of Mordialloc is here;
http://www.signaldiagramsandphotos.com/mywebpages/vr/Metropolitan/25'2011.pdf
Bullucked
Bullucked - thanks for that.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
On site. Wagon is back on the rails. The wagon is to be cut out and placed in the siding.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Wagon is an rcjf number 00352t.

This was the first wagon directly behind the locomotives and was NOT loaded.  Also not loaded was the second wagon.
  merlin Chief Commissioner

Location: North East Adelaide
Interesting looking at the photo's, the train was run through track No. 2 instead of via No. 1a. Is this usual for the Long Island Steelie?

In answer to the previous posters question, points not in the immediate vicinity of the derailment. Last points passed over / through are on the UP side of the level crossing.  (Wonder if there is any scoring in the bitumen at the level crossing?)

To clarify / correct an earlier post, the derailment is at the UP end of platform No. 2.

Track diagram of Mordialloc is here;
http://www.signaldiagramsandphotos.com/mywebpages/vr/Metropolitan/25'2011.pdf
Bullucked
1a is only available when the signal box is switched in. Which, it usually isn't. source: http://www.vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&box=Mordialloc
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Can I ask a (probably silly) question:

Why was a down train conveying a heap of empty coil wagons - I thought that the loaded coil wagons went in the down direction and returned empty.
  thekingoffoxes Chief Train Controller

Can I ask a (probably silly) question:

Why was a down train conveying a heap of empty coil wagons - I thought that the loaded coil wagons went in the down direction and returned empty.
YM-Mundrabilla
The train was about a third loaded with coils.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9785458@N02/9706074647/
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
In the past, the Long Island mill processed slabs of steel into coils of thin sheet which were then railed out. I think in more recent times the function of the plant has changed somewhat so I'm not sure if it still does that.
Incidentally, many years ago, I had the opportunity to visit the plant. It was fascinating to watch the slabs, which would have been about 20cm thick, come out of the furnace glowing red hot, to then be passed between massive rollers which progressively reduced the thickness until it was the thickness of the steel of your 'fridge or washing machine! Very Happy
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The train was about a third loaded with coils.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9785458@N02/9706074647/
thekingoffoxes
Many thanks - so there were empty wagons on the front ahead of the loaded coil.
  thekingoffoxes Chief Train Controller

Many thanks - so there were empty wagons on the front ahead of the loaded coil.
YM-Mundrabilla
Yes, the coils seemed to be in the middle of the consist, i only arrived at the scene towards the end of the operation - after the faulty wagon had been cut out and put into the center track. By my reckoning, the cut in the crossing and the distance the locomotives were from the rest of the rake leads me to believe it was the wagon directly behind the locos.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9785458@N02/9706241231/
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Some pics from last night. Video is also on its way.















Regards
Brian
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What time did the train actually depart Mordialloc for Hastings?

Regards
Brian
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1QSTZnBrjU
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Part 2:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph2PRLXCTwE
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Part 4:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wrzsK3TPZM

Part 5: (FINAL)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ9Rlbk1PfE

Regards
Brian
  Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

Location: FL390
What time did the train actually depart Mordialloc for Hastings?

Regards
Brian
"bevans"


1815.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

From the duplicated thread:

Looking at the incident it would appear:
- empty wagons at the front of a train

- coming to a diverge move

- train stopped and no real damage to infrastructure (not dragged for kilometers)
It all suggests that the train had a significant 'run-in' and the drivers knew so looked back to see that indeed it put one of the empty wagons off between the locos and the actual load.  Pulled it up quickly as a result.
Train loading and train handling as possible scenario for cause.  
Anyone know any other details?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
My observations:

1. It is extremely lucky the centre track or 1A was available providing some flexibility for PN to fix the issue
2. Why does this heavy train not take track 1A on the down and the UP?  This would make far more sense to me as the train would not need to diverge.
3. As luck would have it, the wagon was not derailed for a great distance with the locomotives pulling up adjacent to platform 2

Has the wagon been collected from the siding as yet?

Regards
Brian
  tardis142000 Chief Train Controller

Location: Sandhurst, Victoria
2. Why does this heavy train not take track 1A on the down and the UP?  This would make far more sense to me as the train would not need to diverge.
bevans

Running via 1A both ways is not possible, there is no crossover allowing access to 1A from the UP line (according to the most recent signal diagram on vicsig). As for not using 1A on the down, is the signal box not normally manned there?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This information from VicSIG:

Before the current signal panel there was a mechanical signal box and gates at either end of the station at the crossings. The centre line is designed for express trains like the Long Island Steel train and by using the centre line you will get full speed signals, but when the signal box is switched out you need to slow down to medium speed and go through the platform (this is for down trains only). But as the signal box is normally switched out, nothing much used the centre line now.
Vicsig

Cost Cutting?

Regards
Brian
  sas85 Chief Commissioner

Location: V1
From the duplicated thread:

Looking at the incident it would appear:
- empty wagons at the front of a train

- coming to a diverge move

- train stopped and no real damage to infrastructure (not dragged for kilometers)
It all suggests that the train had a significant 'run-in' and the drivers knew so looked back to see that indeed it put one of the empty wagons off between the locos and the actual load.  Pulled it up quickly as a result.
Train loading and train handling as possible scenario for cause.  
Anyone know any other details?
"skitz"


And there are a number of other factors that could be at play, defective infrastucture or poor wagon condition two of many other possible causes/factors. I don't think it very fair to be giving the crew a spray based on a narrow thought process.

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