A New Wagon Fleet on Order

 
  chriswoo Junior Train Controller

Location: HOBART, TASMANIA
G'day Guys,

If I could clarify, I was referring more to the way Mr. White operates, sharing information (which I am sure he doesn't have to).

Not so much the merits or not of PN investment (or under investment) in Tasmania.

I apologize if my previous post caused confusion, and in hindsight it probably didn't really reflect accurately what i was trying to convey.

Chris.

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  new_guy Station Master

The new wagon procurement is yet another exciting stage of the rail resurrection in Tas - must be very encouraging for those Railpage Australia posters who have done their bit to support this regenerative process.I was annoyed with The Mercury's lack of decent coverage of this significant news event - how typical that all it included was a delayed coverage about the disgruntled local firm which missed out on the contract.It would certainly be a welcome event if Damien W could facilitate another info session for the wider rail supporting community.Cheers,DPJ
"derwentparkjunc"



I'd be keen to do something before the year is out - how about the 8th or 15th of December in Launceston (Techno Park) - we can shout lunch - I understand if the short notice and location doesn't suit all.  If we can't get sufficient numbers (at least 10?) for this date then we'll do something in the new year (and we should try and get some routine re. such briefings - say each 3 months rotating between Launceston, Hobart, and maybe even Burnie/Devonport - there'll be a bit going on next year!).


thanks
Damien
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Damien

I'm keen for the 15 December.
  theesp Train Controller

Sounds like a great idea Damien
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

I lol'd at the idea that it teh greenz that have gutted manufacturing in Oz and much of the rest of the Western world. Smile
Re. rail/wheel wear of existing fleet - 50+ year design has no steering capability - a significant wear and derailment risk issue for a network such as our with so many very tight curves. Bogie design has come a long way of the past 20 years or so. New wagons will have some level of steering/primary suspension to deliver improved improved wheel (wheels being highest maint cost item) and rail wear and also fuel saving.
"new_guy"
Wagons that steer!  Smart move, but I honestly never thought I'd see the day, as I assume there is a large additional cost over 'vanilla' bogies.

  dw54 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Devonport, Tas

Sounds like a great idea Damien
"theesp"


Did it happen?

If not, wouldn't mind another go. Maybe linked with a tour around ETJ?

I'd certainly like to; was in WA Oct - Dec getting a house ready for sale after being rented out Confused
Cheers

DW in Don

  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!



Did it happen?

"dw54"


No. Tasrail tried to organise it but it was a bad time, just before Christmas, as a lot of people that wanted or needed to be there were unavailable. There were suggestions to re-schedule in February (this month), so if Tasrail can find time to spare this month, we might hear something shortly about another go at it.

  dw54 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Devonport, Tas





Did it happen?

"dw54"


No. Tasrail tried to organise it but it was a bad time, just before Christmas, as a lot of people that wanted or needed to be there were unavailable. There were suggestions to re-schedule in February (this month), so if Tasrail can find time to spare this month, we might hear something shortly about another go at it.

"12CSVT"

That suits me. I'll be in it.

Look forward to meeting youse all

DW in Don

  i_know_nothing Train Controller

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.616571381696233.1073741831.246907098662665&type=1Surprised this hasn't made it to Railpage yet. The prototypes of new wagons being loaded in China. Coal hoppers appear to be THGY class (or HG in the old system, following on from HF). Due mid this month?
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.616571381696233.1073741831.246907098662665&type=1Surprised this hasn't made it to Railpage yet. The prototypes of new wagons being loaded in China. Coal hoppers appear to be THGY class (or HG in the old system, following on from HF). Due mid this month?
i_know_nothing

Looking good, one of the comments from Tasrail says the TR's have been testing in Florida as well.  

Might be time to start scouring the US rail websites looking for someone saying what's this little thing? Smile
  CodyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.616571381696233.1073741831.246907098662665&type=1Surprised this hasn't made it to Railpage yet. The prototypes of new wagons being loaded in China. Coal hoppers appear to be THGY class (or HG in the old system, following on from HF). Due mid this month?
i_know_nothing
I think I saw a comment by TasRail saying that the shipment will be arriving in Tasmania this month. From the looks of the ships livery in the picture, it will be a Spliethoff B.V. vessel that will be making the delivery so keep a look out for a ship on the Tasports website ending in "gracht" (ie: Florijngracht, Egelantiersgracht).
  CodyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
I think I saw a comment by TasRail saying that the shipment will be arriving in Tasmania this month. From the looks of the ships livery in the picture, it will be a Spliethoff B.V. vessel that will be making the delivery so keep a look out for a ship on the Tasports website ending in "gracht" (ie Florijngracht, Egelantiersgracht).
CodyW
I compared the photos of the wagon loading to photos of each class of Spleithoff vessel and only a two D-class Spleithoff's, Donaugracht and Dynamogracht have a crane to the left of the numbers on the side hatches labeled 29, 27 and 25 with a pilot ladder under 27 and 25. Donaugracht is still in Da Lian, China (CN DLC) and Dynamogracht is currently eight days out of range but she was in Shanghai prior to that. Both are due for Newcastle. So it's either one of these two ships that will be making the delivery I think. )

UPDATE:

According to Newcastle Port Arrivals, Dynamogracht departs Newcastle on Saturday, 14/9/13 due for Bell Bay. Given her average service speed is 15 knots and that it's approximately 570 nautical miles to Bell Bay from Newcastle, Dynamogracht will probably arrive on the Monday (16th Sept) / Tuesday (17th Sept).

Tasports have nothing on the arrival of Dynamogracht on their Bell Bay expected shipping page yet though. They will most likely post information about the ships arrival date and time. The lines time is the one will be most useful for those wanting to get a photo of the unloading. The ETA / POB time will be good for people that want to get a picture of the ships arrival.

Tasports AUBEL shipping movements
Dynamogracht (MMSI: 244726000) - Current vessel position
  CodyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
The shipment of rolling stock is now due into Bell Bay from on board Dynamogracht on the 16/09/13.

Dynamogracht:

Expected Time of Arrival: 1800
Pilot on Board: 1800
All Fast / Lines: 1900 at BB5

AU NTL > AU BEL, BB5 > AU ADL
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Anyone want to buy a wagon?

With the first of the new wagons now on Tasmanian soil, Tasrail has posted a request for offers to purchase end of life rollingstock on their website.

http://www.tasrail.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=351:disposal-of-end-of-life-wagons&catid=50:current-tenders&Itemid=144
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
They broke it already! (well got some good dints in it) has it even been used on coal yet?

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w663/Electric-C/concreatewagondint_zps7bd9039c.jpg
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
They broke it already! (well got some good dints in it) has it even been used on coal yet?

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w663/Electric-C/concreatewagondint_zps7bd9039c.jpg
Electric C
Well since that's a cement wagon, maybe using it for coal caused the dents Smile

Wonder if that's a sign of the Chinese build quality we can expect?
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
Well since that's a cement wagon, maybe using it for coal caused the dents Smile

Wonder if that's a sign of the Chinese build quality we can expect?
lkernan
I'll put that mistake down to being sleepy https://static.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif
and sadly I'd say yes (should of been made here)
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Well since that's a cement wagon, maybe using it for coal caused the dents Smile

Wonder if that's a sign of the Chinese build quality we can expect?
lkernan
Posters should keep their anti-Chinese racist comments to themselves. Might have been damaged en-route for all you know. Oh, I forgot, since the Bogans voted the Mad Monk in it's OK to be racist.
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
Ok calm down it's not racist to say there build quality is less! You would be an idiot to say they make things to the same standards as us! (I didn't vote for the mad monk, still bugger off lefty)
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I would doubt that saying that some wagons imported from China  (presumably cheap) could perhaps be of lower quality. Hardly a racist comment, it just raises the possibility of  poor construction or wagon misuse. If the Chinese sold these wagons as fit for the use that caused the damage, criticism is most certainly justified.

Or is Mongoloid engineering somehow above criticism ?

Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Tony Abbott and the Libs.     Laughing
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

There are almost new Australian built coal hoppers running in North Queensland with similar dents or rippling...low corrosion steel and welding aren't always best friends from what I've seen.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I'll put that mistake down to being sleepy https://static.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif
Electric C
Is that why your caption says "Concrete Wagon" rather than "Cement Wagon"? There is a big difference between cement and concrete! Smile
  new_guy Station Master

This is a case of being made too well!

We went to great lengths to ensure the wagon is water tight and it turned out that the wagon is also air tight!  As a result, when the wagon was being unloaded on Friday afternoon the sides popped a bit due to suction caused during the unloading process.

When the wagon was reloaded on Friday evening most of the dents had popped back out and the remaining one we will pop out when we can get to it next week.

We are reviewing options to determine the best fix to allow air into the wagon during unloading.

Other than that the pilot wagons have performed flawlessly.


Damien
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Thanks for the update on the pilot wagons Damien.
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
Thanks Damien, one would hope they lasted longer then a month!

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