Driverless C series thoughts?

 
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/18920545/perth-trains-could-go-driverless/

The TransPerth C series when they start to arrive from 2017 could be of a driverless variety & 230m in length or of a 9car consist

Driverless trains are suggested as an option for Perth's rail system, Public Transport Authority tender documents reveal.
Other options are trains arriving every two minutes, more stations and the ability to "stack" trains end to end to help disperse crowds from the new football stadium.

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  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
Having been involved with Rio Tinto's Autohaul project, I feel I can speak with some authority.

Transperth area a very very long way from running driverless trains. The massive amount of work and money involved (and in a Liberal government world) is beyond what the WA public would stomach.

The train control system has to be completely rebuilt, the signaling system rebuilt, all level crossings redone electrically and a far more advanced ATP system installed. And that's before we even look at the platforms, railcars and depots.

My 2 cents Smile
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

It's obviously an expensive project, the older heritage lines would have to be fully grade separated from cars & pedestrian crossings for it work, platforms would have to be lengthened to support 9car trains which is what's planned for the stadium station, the A & B series would also have to be upgraded to a driverless system as well, who knows what the PTA's planning for the C series.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Having been involved with Rio Tinto's Autohaul project, I feel I can speak with some authority.

Transperth area a very very long way from running driverless trains. The massive amount of work and money involved (and in a Liberal government world) is beyond what the WA public would stomach.

The train control system has to be completely rebuilt, the signaling system rebuilt, all level crossings redone electrically and a far more advanced ATP system installed. And that's before we even look at the platforms, railcars and depots.

My 2 cents Smile
crisfitz
The tender documents require pricing on the ATC design and installation on the following:
  • the existing lines and depots.
  • the airport line, the Yanchep extension, the Thornlie to Cockburn Central line and the Mundijong extension.
  • all existing railcars, including the Prospector and the Australind units and the incoming final B series sets.
  • the future South Perth, Burswood Stadium, Karnup and Aubin Grove stations.

The PTA mentions that the existing signalling will need replacement to suit the line extensions and extra lines, so they are looking at the full monty with replacement coming due. Whether the price is right, will remain to be seen, but they seem to be laying the groundwork the right way this time.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Forgot to mention above that the tender also requires the ATC to inter-operate with the existing ATP system, then allow for the decommissioning of the ATP system following the full implementation of the ATC system.
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

Even with a moderately sized network such as Perth, it will be impossible to upgrade everything in one big hit - and I hope we don't take the Adelaide approach of shutting things down for weeks or months at a time.

It will be necessary to make all trains backward compatible with existing signalling & ATP. So unless any new trains are going to be confined to a section of the network that has already been upgraded, I would suggest we need all trains dual equipped for some considerable time.

Automation definitely has advantages of consistency of driving, which in turn increases capacity. It can also improve headways in the central sections with long station dwell times, which will be essential as Perth grows.

It may still be many years off but at least the groundwork is kicking off.
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Here's a link to the tender northmetro
It includes all existing railcars the prospector, the Australind, the a series, the b series and future railcars


https://www.tenders.wa.gov.au/watenders/tender/display/tender-details.do?id=26980&action=display-tender-details&returnUrl=%2Ftender%2Fsearch%2Ftender-search.do%3Faction%3Dadvanced-tender-search-open-tender
  1213Driver Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Western Australia
Hopefully they will be electrifying the doors too or trains wont be maintaining any sort of timetable.
  dw54 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Devonport, Tas

Automation definitely has advantages of consistency of driving, which in turn increases capacity. It can also improve headways in the central sections with long station dwell times, which will be essential as Perth grows.

It may still be many years off but at least the groundwork is kicking off.
Northmetro
It is important that the system specified is not "cut-price." See comments on London forums as the Northern Line is progressively automated. One could suggest that with their system, the driving is "consistently rugged!" There's no "coast" function - it costs extra. Perth beware!

DW in Devonport

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