Location: Southern Riverina
The link via Toolamba is also flatter with a lower crossing of the dividing range.
Toolamba - Echuca line reopening
Rodo
Chief Commissioner
Location: Southern Riverina
LowndesJ515
#TeamRog
Location: Not in Victoria
All of what Galron says is correct, plus the distance is shorter via Toolamba which reduces track access fees and operating costs.Lets see what happens on the 14th of October then.
Gman_86
Chief Commissioner
Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
One question on this topic, are there any crossing loops inbetween Toolamba and Seymour? I would have thought the line between Seymour and Shepparton would have been a lot busier than the line between Bendigo and Echuca.
Rodo
Chief Commissioner
Location: Southern Riverina
There is a crossing loop at Murchison East. I do not think there is one at Nagambie these days. Congestion south of Bendigo is one problem on that route. The other advantages of the Tolamba route are well shown here. Perhaps grain may one day go to Geelong via Bendigo and Castlemaine-Maryborough.
Some rail man
Junior Train Controller
Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
The one at Murchison East is out of service because of track condition
Duncs
Chief Commissioner
The one at Murchison East is out of service because of track conditionJust needs a bit of fixing
emmastreet
Train Controller
Location: Goulburn Valley
Has been fixed. In fact was used a few weeks ago when a Down Seymour RHC charter crossed the Up Shepparton pass.
Ballast_Plough
Chief Commissioner
Location: Lilydale, Vic
I would have thought the line between Seymour and Shepparton would have been a lot busier than the line between Bendigo and Echuca.
It's the section between Melbourne and Bendigo that's the problem - not Bendigo and Echuca.
Gman_86
Chief Commissioner
Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I am aware of the situation on the Bendigo Line, I was asking about the Shepparton Line in more of a general sense as my knowledge of this line is sparse compared to the Bendigo and Echuca lines.
emmastreet
Train Controller
Location: Goulburn Valley
A V/Line ad in this weeks "Tatura Guardian" says "Trains will resume running from Wed 2 October".
Carnot
Minister for Railways
Aforementioned article is here:
http://www.mmg.com.au/local-news/kyabram/freight-trains-return-to-kyabram-1.58847
Line speed will be 50 km/h which is a bit on the slow side. That works out at over 80min for 67km of track.
http://www.mmg.com.au/local-news/kyabram/freight-trains-return-to-kyabram-1.58847
Line speed will be 50 km/h which is a bit on the slow side. That works out at over 80min for 67km of track.
Duncs
Chief Commissioner
Aforementioned article is here:What would they need to do to improve the line speed to 70kph?
http://www.mmg.com.au/local-news/kyabram/freight-trains-return-to-kyabram-1.58847
Line speed will be 50 km/h which is a bit on the slow side. That works out at over 80min for 67km of track.
Daryl
Junior Train Controller
Location: Carrum Downs
What would they need to do to improve the line speed to 70kph?I don't know how much repair they did but if the track was relaid, then it would have to bed in for a while before increasing the line speed.
They don't just go Normal Speed first off.
Trainplanner
Chief Commissioner
Location: Along the Line
True. Usually about 100,000 to 200,000 gross tonnes. Here it might not be that critical
RustyRick
Chief Commissioner
Location: South West Vic
I don't know how much repair they did but if the track was relaid, then it would have to bed in for a while before increasing the line speed.Re-sleepered about 1 in 2, re-ballasted entire section, replaced rails across a couple of crossings, a bit of drainage.
They don't just go Normal Speed first off.
Rick
RustyRick
Chief Commissioner
Location: South West Vic
If you hadn't noticed the ads in the paper, and the V/Line signs advising the line is now active weren't enough to show things are about to happen - the Highway Patrol staking out the 80km/h section on the Midland Highway and the stop signs on unprotected crossings is a give away...
Work is still going on. Would the first train be an engine only for testing track circuits at crossings?
Rick
Work is still going on. Would the first train be an engine only for testing track circuits at crossings?
Rick
Lad_Porter
Chief Commissioner
Location: Yarra Glen
If you hadn't noticed the ads in the paper, and the V/Line signs advising the line is now active weren't enough to show things are about to happen - the Highway Patrol staking out the 80km/h section on the Midland Highway and the stop signs on unprotected crossings is a give away...Nevertheless, there will possibly be crossing incidents caused by locals who "know" that the line is disused. Another reason for trains to run at reduced speed in the early days.
kuldalai
Chief Commissioner
Nevertheless, there will possibly be crossing incidents caused by locals who "know" that the line is disused. Another reason for trains to run at reduced speed in the early days.There is no great need for speed as the rice traffic is not time sensitive. So 50 - 60kmh with the required axle load to allow 9 foot 6 inch height fully loaded containers is more important than the speed . That is what the line has been upgraded to achieve .
trainbrain
Chief Commissioner
Just read the Riverine Herald online edition, the first train is due to arrive in Echuca at 10.30am this Thursday 3rd Oct on the newly refurshed Toolamba-Seymour line. Transport Minister, Peter Mulder stated that with the help of Sunrice, that they provided funds to convert the line to Broad Guage, enableing Freight Trains to once again travl across this line and relieve the Congested Bendigo Line for passenger services. Mmmmmmm...........something maybe amiss or have I missed something.......Converted to Broad Guage, ah silly me I must have just watched YES MINISTER......................
trainbrain
Chief Commissioner
Mmmmmmmmmm, can anyone spot the spelling errors, too many Yes Minister episodes.................
YM-Mundrabilla
Minister for Railways
Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Just read the Riverine Herald online edition, the first train is due to arrive in Echuca at 10.30am this Thursday 3rd Oct on the newly refurshed Toolamba-Seymour line. Transport Minister, Peter Mulder stated that with the help of Sunrice, that they provided funds to convert the line to Broad Guage, enableing Freight Trains to once again travl across this line and relieve the Congested Bendigo Line for passenger services. Mmmmmmm...........something maybe amiss or have I missed something.......Converted to Broad Guage, ah silly me I must have just watched YES MINISTER......................
Interesting, but given that this is Victoria where standard gauge is anathema the conversion of SG to BG would not be surprising !!!
Being sensible (for once I hope), on the other hand given that if every second sleeper has been replaced as has been reported and the entire line reballasted there was the opportunity to set up for SG at some time in the future at virtually no extra cost.
Did they use timber or concrete sleepers for the replacements?
If concrete was used were they gauge convertible?
Probably silly questions but I assume someone in RP land will know.
bevans
Site Admin
Location: Melbourne, Australia
From the thread it would appear wooden sleepers have been deployed which will allow for SG conversion of the line if required at some time in the future. However, I believe if you are going SG then replace all the sleepers with the concrete variety during the process and then you have a line with longevity??
Regards
Brian
Regards
Brian
RustyRick
Chief Commissioner
Location: South West Vic
Timber sleepers were used. A mix of redgum and other hardwood.
A sleeper replacement crew is still working around Tatura today. I guess they're replacing the odd sleeper that may have been missed, or seemed ok when the main crew came through.
Rick
A sleeper replacement crew is still working around Tatura today. I guess they're replacing the odd sleeper that may have been missed, or seemed ok when the main crew came through.
Rick
Trainplanner
Chief Commissioner
Location: Along the Line
Duasl gauge concrete sleepers have been installed on several level crossings as well.
trainbrain
Chief Commissioner
I was in Echuca last Saturday and webt over the Rail Crossing on The Murray Valley Highway, all the ballast was covering the sleepers from the road as far as I could see towards Kyabram. On the Kyabram Rd crossing the line looks magnificent, the ballast appears to have been tampered.
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