Bairnsdale Line News

 
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
"The grinder will re-profile about 60 kilometres of rail, with works taking place in shifts of 10 hours per day, mainly at night."
Why at night? That will make them popular with the locals...

Rick

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  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
That is an interesting point that some may not pick up on, in regard to true 'commuters' as opposed to 'passengers' on the Gippsland line, even if you were not alluding to that aspect, B 67.

Initially, it seems that it is totally implausible that there are work-bound commuters anywhere east of Traralgon. While that may generally be the rule for those heading to Melbourne, there does exist a number of people that travel from, say, Sale to the Latrobe Valley or the Warragul area for employment. One or two of the existing Up services from Traralgon in the morning, and Down services in the evening could and should originate and terminate at Sale instead.
"DirtyBallast"


Wellington Shire Council had a business case prepared a couple of years back to highlight the argument for more trains to Sale. One interesting finding was that people commute in both directions in large numbers between the Latrobe Valley and Sale, with the western bound travellers roughly double that of those heading to Sale. There is a workers V/Line  bus between Sale and Traralgon but it seems that people still baulk at coaches. Gippsland is quite interesting in its travelling patterns as there is a huge amount of intra region travel at all hours of the day. Recent regional planning strategies have highlighted the need to establish dedicated intra region trains between Warragul and Traralgon, but that would seem to be at odds with V/Line's historical terminus to Melbourne modus operandi?
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
"The grinder will re-profile about 60 kilometres of rail, with works taking place in shifts of 10 hours per day, mainly at night."Why at night? That will make them popular with the locals...

Rick
RustyRick
Yeah, I wondered about that too. Perhaps the operators of the grinder are so used to working at night, that daylight may blind them. Smile

A more likely explanation is that the spin department personnel only know of metropolitan work procedures and just assume work will be done at night so as not to delay trains. Wink
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Yeah, I wondered about that too. Perhaps the operators of the grinder are so used to working at night, that daylight may blind them. Smile

A more likely explanation is that the spin department personnel only know of metropolitan work procedures and just assume work will be done at night so as not to delay trains. Wink
B 67
Save for maintenance work on the equipment, I would hope 24/7 operation would occur once it starts its job
  skitz Chief Commissioner

"The grinder will re-profile about 60 kilometres of rail, with works taking place in shifts of 10 hours per day, mainly at night."Why at night? That will make them popular with the locals...

Rick
RustyRick

In the summer months its normal to grind at night when there is higher humidity and less chance of fires.  Not the case here I would expect.
  Bugnash Station Master

It's not a grinder.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic

from https://www.vline.com.au/home/news/carousel/1487844748/Article.aspx


UPDATED 31 JULY 2013
V/Line is still working to have the trains back to Bairnsdale by the end of October, all going well with the rail grinding program.

We are expecting the grinder to arrive in the Port of Melbourne on 19 September. Subject to customs clearance it is due to commence work in Gippsland on 24 September.

The rail grinding machine will do most of its work in day shifts over approximately three weeks. V/Line will notify residents and traders of the grinding schedule. Noise levels should be moderate. The grinding machine will re-profile approximately 60 kilometres of rail in total - on the approaches to 32 level crossings.

On completion of this work, V/Line intends to run several test locomotives and / or trains to determine the reliability of the level crossing equipment. When the testing is successfully completed V/Line will confirm the date for the safe return of trains.

In addition, V/Line has commenced the installation of more than 20,000 concrete sleepers, to replace wooden sleepers on sections of the line between Traralgon and Bairnsdale. The sleepers are being replaced on the approaches to each of the 32 level crossings. Once again, V/Line is working during the day to keep noise levels to a minimum.

For the long term solution to the level crossing safety issue, we have recently closed the tender process for the axle counter equipment and installation. We anticipate that we will be able to award the tender in the next couple of weeks with installation commencing October.

Next week , we will be communicating with customers and the community about this progress via advertisements in the local newspapers. Please see below for further information about train replacement coach services and the temporary timetable on the Gippsland Line between Traralgon, Sale and Bairnsdale.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Oh, it looks like someone finally realised that they don't actually need to do the works at night, since there are no trains to delay during the day (see their previous updates).

They're still persisting with the 60km figure, although it has been reduced from "over 60km" to "about 60km". Even if they actually do grind 1km either side of the 32 crossings, several of them are within 1km of each other. Perhaps they intend to grind the overlapping ones twice - or even three times in the case of the 3 crossings within about 600m at Stratford. Smile
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Possibly the reason for nights was the possible impact of level crossing equipment operating and traffic with the grinder in close proximity to the crossings?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
UPDATED 31 JULY 2013
V/Line is still working to have the trains back to Bairnsdale by the end of October, all going well with the rail grinding program.

We are expecting the grinder to arrive in the Port of Melbourne on 19 September. Subject to customs clearance it is due to commence work in Gippsland on 24 September.
Galron

Does anyone else think this delay in getting a mainline active again is a joke?  Where else in the world would passengers be subjected to such a disgraceful delay?  How is it Vline does not have a rail grinder in any case?  How was rail grinding achieved in the past?

Regards
Brian
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Yes it's a joke.  But by World standards so is most of Australia's non-suburban rail network.  There is no political will or intent because there are no significant votes to be won or lost.  There is no suggestion of what might be convenient or otherwise for the travelling public and it suits VLP just now to create a few rakes of spare coaches owing to the critical shortages after the Z-cars were withdrawn.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Some rail action just now! Track testing unit (EM 100?) sighted heading out of Traralgon towards Rosedale at 11.40am.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Yes I'm afraid this smacks of a lack of a can do attitude to greeting this fixed in a timely matter and utilising every resource that you can muster to get this fixed. The safety card has been played which means we can sit around and wait rather than looking at a range of strategies. There's not a rail network that I know that has had at various times technical issues to do with the detection of trains due to a range of technical problems.  But as critical as the safe of operation of level crossing crossing equipment is, that hasn't to my knowledge resulted in what we see going on or is it more not going on here.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Agreed. There's no way it should take this long.

As Gippslander mentions, the EM100 (IEV 100) did run to Bairnsdale today. Unlike the previous occasion, I have seen no media stories on this beforehand, although I'm sure there will be some during the coming week - to let us all know that they're doing something. Rolling Eyes

Although I'm aware that some crossings were operated manually, I'm not sure that they all were. I suspect the crossings would still work without manual intervention (they did in May according to one of the "crossing attendants" when the EM100 last visited). However, as it appeared to pass through Stratford at a fair speed, I'm guessing that all three adjacent active crossings were attended at the same time.

After 3pm I drove to Sale and found IEV 100 stabled on the mainline at the down end of Sale platform. Photos below taken around 3:30pm.





  grime Station Master

UPDATED 23 SEPTEMBER 2013
Today V/Line welcome Metro's $13 million rail grinding machine that will re-profile steel rail on the Traralgon to Bairnsdale line, enabling V/Line's passenger trains to resume operation.
The machine will head out to Gippsland tomorrow and with further equipment arriving later this week, work is planned to start next week.
If all goes to plan, we expect to see all Gippsland line passenger trains returned by the end of October.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
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It arrived today in Traralgon via truck.
  wyche123 Locomotive Fireman

It took eight weeks by ship to get here. If the job was so urgent, why was it not delivered by air? And yes, there are cargo planes big enough.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
It took eight weeks by ship to get here. If the job was so urgent, why was it not delivered by air? And yes, there are cargo planes big enough.
wyche123
Too heavy, perhaps?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Too heavy, perhaps?
railblogger
You can't drive the trailer/grinder unit on the roads. 44t on 8 wheels.

So it was trucked down.....
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
You can't drive the trailer/grinder unit on the roads. 44t on 8 wheels.

So it was trucked down.....
speedemon08
It was shipped from Austria. we are talking about how it got here (I think), not how it got to Bairnsdale.
  Daryl Junior Train Controller

Location: Carrum Downs
Do we actually own it? I read the cost was $13M? Would that buy a rail grinder and all the bits and support services?

Given the hassle and delay it would probably be worth owning one.

It might come with SG/NG bogies so it could be leased out to other systems.
  Daryl Junior Train Controller

Location: Carrum Downs
A but tongue in cheek but they could slso regauge the line to SG then the rail gringer would not need to be reconfigured for BG, just another option.
Mufreight

Relay the track with stainless steel?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
If PTV in association with Metro, V/Line and VicTrack are seriously committed to maintaining thee rail network to a higher standard then they should know that managing the wheel/rail interface is critical to extending the life and condition of both wheels and rails as well as improving the tracking ability of bogies to deliver a smoother ride and reduced rolling resistance to improve fuel consumption. If that were the case a grinder would be utilized pretty intensively if you also took into account the standard gauge network.  Will they or will it get sent back until the next crisis so we can inconvenience tens of thousands of more passengers.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Seriously committed (to anything other than the rundown of everything) ???????????
  skidsteer Chief Train Controller

Location: In the country
I wonder what happened to the Metro stickers?

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