3830 Trials

 
  NSWGR 3827 Deputy Commissioner

Location: South of the Border
Perhaps a major overhaul? I agree, restoration is probably the wrong term, as she's already been "restored", it's just a matter of keeping her in good nick. Regardless of nitpicking terminology, we all agree that they're worth it ).
Raichase
Is there any more than Crown stay repairs being done?
To be Called a major it would have to be completely dismantled much like 3801.

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  MC3801 Train Controller

Just received the latest edition of Roundhouse from the RTM. There is more news on 3830. It says the Museum had a full boiler inspection done. They are now waiting on the inspector's report. One they have received the report and it assessed, they will be able to establish a schedule as to when the work on 3830 will be completed.
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

Is there any more than Crown stay repairs being done?
To be Called a major it would have to be completely dismantled much like 3801.

When was 3830 last used on an excursion train prior to being withdrawn for overhaul at Thirlmere?
  exarmidale Train Controller

When was 3830 last used on an excursion train prior to being withdrawn for overhaul at Thirlmere?
hunslet1915

Southern Highlander back in 2011 Could even have been 2010.

3830 was moved out of Roundhouse to undercover within the "Great Train Hall'' last Wednesday week. Apparently Powerhouse Museum is short on funding at present.
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

Southern Highlander back in 2011 Could even have been 2010.

3830 was moved out of Roundhouse to undercover within the "Great Train Hall'' last Wednesday week. Apparently Powerhouse Museum is short on funding at present.
exarmidale
I have received differing dates and differing tours!   3830 has been removed from the Roundhouse so as to allow work to continue on the new tender for 3526.   Once Powerhouse staff complete the annual boiler inspection on 3265, 3830 will be returned to the Roundhouse.
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Southern Highlander back in 2011 Could even have been 2010.

3830 was moved out of Roundhouse to undercover within the "Great Train Hall'' last Wednesday week. Apparently Powerhouse Museum is short on funding at present.
exarmidale

From what I can gather after watching several of the "NSW In Steam" DVD volumes is that 3830 hasn't been used on an excursion since the triple header to Moss Vale in 2009.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
Seemingly there is silence on 3526.  I would have thought the RTM would be cracking on with stripping it down for its major overhaul given they are building a new tender tank.
  exarmidale Train Controller

From what I can gather after watching several of the "NSW In Steam" DVD volumes is that 3830 hasn't been used on an excursion since the triple header to Moss Vale in 2009.
"K160"


Come to think of it you could be correct as recall there were some issues coming up the escarpment that day
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

Come to think of it you could be correct as recall there were some issues coming up the escarpment that day
exarmidale
Thank you guys.  I have been off-line for a few days in hospital.

Whilst I understand that there many have been a low water incident on that day, I can find no mention of such in subsequent reports.   In fact, I read in Digest that 3526 was detached at Moss Vale and returned light to Thirlmere, leaving 3642 & 3830 to return via the Coast with the load.   Obviously, at the time, nothing was thought to be a problem with 3830.
I guess that "leaky tubes" may have been booked and once back in the Shed, on thing led to another.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thank you guys.  I have been off-line for a few days in hospital.

Whilst I understand that there many have been a low water incident on that day, I can find no mention of such in subsequent reports.   In fact, I read in Digest that 3526 was detached at Moss Vale and returned light to Thirlmere, leaving 3642 & 3830 to return via the Coast with the load.   Obviously, at the time, nothing was thought to be a problem with 3830.
I guess that "leaky tubes" may have been booked and once back in the Shed, on thing led to another.
hunslet1915
I do recall hearing on the day that the 35 was having issues, I believe it was related to the tender. From my notes, the train went from Sydney to Moss Vale as 3526/3642/3830/train/4520/4490. The return trip was worked by 3830/3642. I believe the diesels went back to Thirlmere with the 35?
  coalciff Station Master

The low water theory is a load of crap,

It passed a boiler test this year but failed on a trial 3 days later, why was it given an acid washout between the 2 events?
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

The low water theory is a load of crap,

It passed a boiler test this year but failed on a trial 3 days later, why was it given an acid washout between the 2 events?
coalciff

I am referring to 2009 - the last time the train was used in revenue service, not the trial earlier this year.   ie, why was the locomotive stopped after the 2009 Southern Highlander trip and why did it take four years before the boiler was again steam tested?  
I am simply trying to sort out fact from fiction.   Hence I am attempting to seek some accurate information so that the record can be set straight.   I already have a detailed response from Powerhouse Museum, but this does not cover the original cause.
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

The low water theory is a load of crap,

It passed a boiler test this year but failed on a trial 3 days later, why was it given an acid washout between the 2 events?

I am referring to 2009 - the last time the train was used in revenue service, not the trial earlier this year.   ie, why was the locomotive stopped after the 2009 Southern Highlander trip and why did it take four years before the boiler was again steam tested?  
I am simply trying to sort out fact from fiction.   Hence I am attempting to seek some accurate information so that the record can be set straight.   I already have a detailed response from Powerhouse Museum, but this does not cover the original cause.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Perhaps a major overhaul? I agree, restoration is probably the wrong term, as she's already been "restored", it's just a matter of keeping her in good nick. Regardless of nitpicking terminology, we all agree that they're worth it Smile.
Raichase
Around about August as a volunteer of NSWRTM I ran into one of the engineers working on this overhaul from the PHM, am no expert on steam engines but the long pipe sitting next to the engine (I was told came from the boiler) looked pretty rusty. Talking to him further he said it was a just matter of getting the time to work on it, as all the work required to get her going was approved and funded.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Around about August as a volunteer of NSWRTM I ran into one of the engineers working on this overhaul from the PHM, am no expert on steam engines but the long pipe sitting next to the engine (I was told came from the boiler) looked pretty rusty. Talking to him further he said it was a just matter of getting the time to work on it, as all the work required to get her going was approved and funded.
Spiritman

Edit: Did a bit of research on boilers/fireboxes and from the length of this pipe laying beside the engine I would say with some certainty that it was a firetube. If still there next month (maybe there's others since then) I'll take a picture of it.
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

I am referring to 2009 - the last time the train was used in revenue service, not the trial earlier this year.   ie, why was the locomotive stopped after the 2009 Southern Highlander trip and why did it take four years before the boiler was again steam tested?  
I am simply trying to sort out fact from fiction.   Hence I am attempting to seek some accurate information so that the record can be set straight.   I already have a detailed response from Powerhouse Museum, but this does not cover the original cause.
hunslet1915
With the full co-operation of Powerhouse Museum, I have just completed an in-depth report on the problems facing 3830.   This will appear in the next issue of "The Railway News" which was lodged with the printer yesterday.
In brief, I can advise that according to PHM, the locomotive has been stripped for a full internal inspection which is scheduled for tomorrow, 23/10.   A Report will then be forthcoming, which will allow PHM to finanise the Scope of Work so as the locomotive can be returned to operational condition.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/nswsrca/Railway_News/59-1.htm
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
The low water theory is a load of crap,

It passed a boiler test this year but failed on a trial 3 days later, why was it given an acid washout between the 2 events?
coalciff
Boiler water treatment specialists one who is an industrial chemist I have dealt with say its a "NO, NO" to acid clean riveted type locomotive boilers because its too hard to ensure all the acid within the boiler has been neutralised particularly around rivet heads stays and where tubes go through tube plates.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
"3830 Update.

We have received further information. Essentially it appears the locomotive will not steam again without at least a new inner firebox and worse, an entirely new boiler.

A report on 3830 is due in the next issue of The Railway News, due mid November.

Unfortunately this appears to dash any hopes of the loco returning to service anytime soon. Lets get behind the PHM and ORH to support their efforts to put it back where it belongs. On the rails in steam hauling trains."

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  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

The December issue of "The Railway News" (59/1) has been mailed to subscribers.   Copies are now in the process of being distributed (over the course of the next week) to the retailers that normally stock the magazine.   The update on 3830 (continued from the previous issue) covers more than two pages and was compiled with the co-operation and assistance of the Powerhouse Museum.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Edit: Did a bit of research on boilers/fireboxes and from the length of this pipe laying beside the engine I would say with some certainty that it was a firetube. If still there next month (maybe there's others since then) I'll take a picture of it.
Spiritman
Could be the main internal steam pipe. Could also be a superheater element.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
The December issue of "The Railway News" (59/1) has been mailed to subscribers.   Copies are now in the process of being distributed (over the course of the next week) to the retailers that normally stock the magazine.   The update on 3830 (continued from the previous issue) covers more than two pages and was compiled with the co-operation and assistance of the Powerhouse Museum.
hunslet1915
Could someone post a summary please?
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Could be the main internal steam pipe. Could also be a superheater element.
Barrington Womble
Photo of boiler tube, not sure if the ones next to it came from 3830, the engine is no longer in the roundhouse but undercover at the back of the main train hall.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/97496941@N02/11005590964/

Edit: Seen clearly even though the photo (Nokia phone) is rather small, are pits and rust at the near end. The fact that the engine is now in the main train hall may suggest that the overhaul may take some time.
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
Tube on the right appears to be a boiler tube. The ones on the left are superheater elements.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Tube on the right appears to be a boiler tube. The ones on the left are superheater elements.
Fireman Dave
The ones on the left are coiled up (not in shot) at the far end so you may be right there.

Another tube of larger diameter and fire bricks from the firebox at the front of the tender.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/97496941@N02/11024113635/
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
It just occurred to me that since this thread was started the title has taken on a new meaning! 8)

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