Benalla - Oaklands SG branch (Post Conversion Discussion)

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Plenty of gas moves on rail cars in the USA so moving GAS from Oaklands to the a port on specialised LPG (if it is LPG) is not really a big deal.

Oh hang-on this is Victoria

Regards
Brian

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Plenty of gas moves on rail cars in the USA so moving GAS from Oaklands to the a port on specialised LPG (if it is LPG) is not really a big deal.

Oh hang-on this is Victoria

Regards
Brian
"bevans"

Oaklands is in NSW Razz
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Plenty of gas moves on rail cars in the USA so moving GAS from Oaklands to the a port on specialised LPG (if it is LPG) is not really a big deal.

Oh hang-on this is Victoria

Regards
Brian
"bevans"

Oaklands is in NSW Razz
"bingley hall"


However if one is want to being pedantic Smile NSW does not run trains to Oaklands any more.
The line is maintained and operated as a Victorian branch line (smarty Very Happy)

Cheers
Rod
  ppiglet Chief Train Controller

From the Managing director or the bloke down the pub?

You can assume as much from their web site anyway. Another bunch of OPM addicts.
"bingley hall"


From the horses mouth - the top in DOT

They're in direct negotiation.  One of the sticking points is the time it takes to shunt around, change direction (especially in Geelong) or change ends.  4-6 trains a day will be a loss of a lot of time for this function.

Decanting outside the port is a major plus for them, and running the trains on a loop at the decanting point.  

Quite a big area of land required, but if they do it at Lara then there is no need for them to cross over the BG.

Then they'll just pipe to holding tanks at the wharf.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How much time is lost changing ends?

Surely a crew could branch at the Corio end of the CIGL and enter some sidings.  The crew could drop off the loaded and attach the unloaded for working back to Oaklands?

A local shunting group or a contractor could work the loaded wagons into the facility for decanting.

--Bill
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Plenty of T's and Y's is various states of ability to become operational that could be brought into service for this. Just run the "shunter" onto the back of the train and push-pull it, or setup for "sets" permanently in push pull. All easy enough to sort out without to much effort.

or finaly get it sorted so SG trains can get into that area from the east without having to go out to Ghap.
  crusty Train Controller

This is one of the recommendations from the Grain Logistics Taskforce Report (GLTR)2012....http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1663081.htm




Infrastructure/ Network Issue                   



 



PN/GrainCorp Comments



 



Benefit         



 



Long Term Fix                   





The safe working   arrangements on ARTC's  Benalla to Oaklands line will not permit 2 trains to  operate   on the line at a  time .



 



Quick win 

Block points at Yarrawonga and Wangamong, and Locking away ability at Oaklands  AWB

 



 



Capacity improvement 

 

 



 



 Long Term – look at Crossing Loop 

 



 

  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
would be surprised if this line is not adversly affected by the flooding at present in that area, both south and north of the border. Line to Tocumwall as well. Anyone got any information on this?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
would be surprised if this line is not adversly affected by the flooding at present in that area, both south and north of the border. Line to Tocumwall as well. Anyone got any information on this?
"Galron"


Saw some photos last night of 9362 battling flood waters between Toc and Shepparton. Large parts of Oaklands branch underwater also im told. The train tonight has been cancelled once again to Mother Nature.
  spethalcam Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pistols Tavern Yarrawonga
would be surprised if this line is not adversly affected by the flooding at present in that area, both south and north of the border. Line to Tocumwall as well. Anyone got any information on this?
"Galron"


Saw some photos last night of 9362 battling flood waters between Toc and Shepparton. Large parts of Oaklands branch underwater also im told. The train tonight has been cancelled once again to Mother Nature.
"LowndesJ515"



And more to come...possibly tonight but tomorrow

Just south of Yarra round Tungamah was submerged. I saw a pic last night in the Tavern of a bloke in main st of Tunga with a pot glass and water up to his knees!
  woodford Chief Commissioner

would be surprised if this line is not adversly affected by the flooding at present in that area, both south and north of the border. Line to Tocumwall as well. Anyone got any information on this?
"Galron"


Saw some photos last night of 9362 battling flood waters between Toc and Shepparton. Large parts of Oaklands branch underwater also im told. The train tonight has been cancelled once again to Mother Nature.
"LowndesJ515"



And more to come...possibly tonight but tomorrow

Just south of Yarra round Tungamah was submerged. I saw a pic last night in the Tavern of a bloke in main st of Tunga with a pot glass and water up to his knees!
"spethalcam"


Would be around the south end of the town, Tungamah is on quite undulating terrian, the section near the creek south of the town and one assumes the sports ground would be most effected. The railway runs through the entire area on a embankment 2 to 3 metres high.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Tungamah has received over 200mm over the past few days.

South of the town, the line is on an embankment about 3m high as mentioned and should be OK, the ground is also flat to the south. The section to Telford though could well have been affected by runoff from the higher ground, thus causing some washaways. Just my guess, not based on any reports or fact!!!

When water dumps on flat areas like that, it tends to just spread out and drain away very slowly. The Boosey Creek is not exactly a year round stream and would not have any real capacity to clear the big dump in a hurry. Will be rather soggy for a while.
  spethalcam Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pistols Tavern Yarrawonga
would be surprised if this line is not adversly affected by the flooding at present in that area, both south and north of the border. Line to Tocumwall as well. Anyone got any information on this?
"Galron"


Saw some photos last night of 9362 battling flood waters between Toc and Shepparton. Large parts of Oaklands branch underwater also im told. The train tonight has been cancelled once again to Mother Nature.
"LowndesJ515"



And more to come...possibly tonight but tomorrow

Just south of Yarra round Tungamah was submerged. I saw a pic last night in the Tavern of a bloke in main st of Tunga with a pot glass and water up to his knees!
"spethalcam"


Would be around the south end of the town, Tungamah is on quite undulating terrian, the section near the creek south of the town and one assumes the sports ground would be most effected. The railway runs through the entire area on a embankment 2 to 3 metres high.
"woodford"


True that I knew of someone who can get to the sports ground and then boat it to the shop. Well that was the jist of it.
In all honesty all over Yarrawonga has been rather soggy.  I know of a collegue who's house backs onto the railway was inundated yesterday too I Yesterday near the Murray Valley Hwy crossing the Benalla rd was cut down to the saleyards and those paddocks flooded. Today water drained away and looked ok. But heck I was just passing through. No expert by any stretch.

Cheers
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I am guessing that there is no traffic on this line at present due to flood damage?

Apart from south of Yarrawonga for which we have seen pictures of, does anyone know the extent of other damage?
  packa Junior Train Controller

A story from the Bordermail, 
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/54042/share-play-may-block-coalmine/

COALMINING plans for Oaklands could be shelved if mining giant Whitehaven Coal takes over Coalworks Ltd


  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
All quiet in this thread for over a year now.

I am planning a visit to my old home town (Tungamah/Yarrawonga) in the next couple of weeks, can I expect to see any activity?
  scott_harder Locomotive Fireman

Location: Rutherglen
All quiet in this thread for over a year now.

I am planning a visit to my old home town (Tungamah/Yarrawonga) in the next couple of weeks, can I expect to see any activity?
mikesyd
I haven't seen much of late, But I'm just in and out of the area ever so often.

There's been a loco sitting up at Oaklands for a few months now. Not sure what the go is with it.

Harvest is still a little while off. But I can tell the trucks a gearing up for a big one.

Scott.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
If the Locomotive is still sitting at Oaklands it could be a bit of a worry as it would be out in the open? Did I also read that El Zorro stopped operations rather suddenly, leaving a locomotive on the Warnambool line as well. Is it possible that the Banks now own these (EL Zorro?) locomotives and are incapable of moving them to protect them?  I am guessing all hire locomotives would be recovered by their owners?
  scott_harder Locomotive Fireman

Location: Rutherglen
If the Locomotive is still sitting at Oaklands it could be a bit of a worry as it would be out in the open? Did I also read that El Zorro stopped operations rather suddenly, leaving a locomotive on the Warnambool line as well. Is it possible that the Banks now own these (EL Zorro?) locomotives and are incapable of moving them to protect them?  I am guessing all hire locomotives would be recovered by their owners?
comtrain

Well I just looked back at the photo's that I took of it on my phone Driving past it. Your right it is out in the open and has been for a while. There was orioginally just a couple of grain hoppers being stored there then the Loco appeared. It's Green Trains 8026 It was sitting at the end out the line just before crossing the Urana-Oaklands road. From what I've found it was being run by El Zorro.

Scott
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Scott,
although only guessing the reasons, and might be completely wrong, it does sound like a possible reason for its storage there. Wonder why the Loco has not been recovered. As it has been without trains for a fair while, perhaps ARTC  needs to run an inspection (at cost to customer) before allowing movements, and it might be better to let PacNat reopen the line when the wheat flows again?
Is the Loco clear of the silo running lines? Any chance access to the silo is blocked?
Cheers
Rod
  scott_harder Locomotive Fireman

Location: Rutherglen
Scott,
although only guessing the reasons, and might be completely wrong, it does sound like a possible reason for its storage there. Wonder why the Loco has not been recovered. As it has been without trains for a fair while, perhaps ARTC  needs to run an inspection (at cost to customer) before allowing movements, and it might be better to let PacNat reopen the line when the wheat flows again?
Is the Loco clear of the silo running lines? Any chance access to the silo is blocked?
Cheers
Rod
comtrain

The loco was positioned at the very end of the line, at the Urana end, Just before it Crosses the road to the northern most Silo's. They's are not currently accessible by trains. The line basically ends on the other side of the road. No access issues to the Oaklands Station silos.

Scott
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
There are some photos at the link below, with acknowledgements to the owner - James Brook. Looks like they were taken when the RailCar tour went to Oaklands in June.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vrfan/9030809787/in/photostream/

Interesting that it was left there when the EL's were removed.

Looks like I had better have a look at Oaklands when I come down then.
  scott_harder Locomotive Fireman

Location: Rutherglen
There are some photos at the link below, with acknowledgements to the owner - James Brook. Looks like they were taken when the RailCar tour went to Oaklands in June.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vrfan/9030809787/in/photostream/

Interesting that it was left there when the EL's were removed.

Looks like I had better have a look at Oaklands when I come down then.
mikesyd
I'm Back to work tomorrow. I'll take a drive up to Oaklands to see if it's still there.

Scott
  scott_harder Locomotive Fireman

Location: Rutherglen
Well went up to Oaklands today and 8026 is still sitting at the same location with about 6 Grain hoppers coupled to it. So look's like it isn't going anywhere soon.
On a side point I saw an ARTC Ute come off the rail while there had been travelling North. Maybe a line inspection??

Scott
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Well went up to Oaklands today and 8026 is still sitting at the same location with about 6 Grain hoppers coupled to it. So look's like it isn't going anywhere soon.
On a side point I saw an ARTC Ute come off the rail while there had been travelling North. Maybe a line inspection??

Scott
scott_harder
Hey do you think some wild guesses might actually be something close to the truth. Next thing will be that they will send  a fitter down to check for sabotage and set the engine up for a start if it has been thee that long Smile Maybe we will see a move early next week? Its still a valuable asset and I am thinking their must be very little work around for the hire locos if it stayed there that long?

Cheers
Rod

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